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#Chicago on Monday, April 18, 2011



Links mentioned today:
http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/The-Nondeterministic-Hash.aspx
http://open.salon.com/blog/laura_wilkerson/2011/04/14/sensational_murder_trial_goes_to_jury_bloomington_indiana
http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/comment/9/2011/04/357a3ae44927842a4b33ff2cf8608552/340x.jpg
http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/Destructoid/~3/VxxJ7Xt-hOk/hunted-the-demon-s-forge-gets-in-game-dungeon-creator-199034.phtml
http://kotaku.com/#!5793058/new-skyrim-shots-feature-orcs-cat+people-and-the-dreaded-giant-spider/gallery/1
http://driph.com/words/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/e.gif
http://www.php.net/manual/en/function.md5.php#52500
http://urth.org/~autarch/new-pod/html/perlootut.pod.html
http://search.cpan.org/~rjbs/perl-5.12.3/pod/perlobj.pod
http://i.imgur.com/EGyct.jpg
http://theoatmeal.com/blog/fix_computer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPNL82EY1dY
http://www.aperturescience.com/glados@home/
http://i.imgur.com/b0WJY.jpg


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07:40 <Volatile_> herro
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09:32 <SidWork> good morning everyone
09:32 <SidWork> hopefully your not being snowed on
09:33 <+sampson> snowed all day yesterday here
09:33 <+sampson> but it's already gone
09:39 <@scrim> morning
09:39 <@scrim> snowed, it's melting already though
09:44 <Volatile> heh
09:44 <Volatile> just flooding out here
09:44 <Volatile> couldn't run my normal trail cuz it's under three feet of water
09:45 <Volatile> had to run a boring trail that runs parallel to a train track
09:45 <Volatile> and it's only a mile long.. so i had to run back and forth back and forth
09:45 <Volatile> :\
09:49 <@scrim> lame
09:52 <Volatile> yeah
09:52 <Volatile> it was pretty boring
09:53 <Volatile> the usual trail i run is really cool
09:53 <Volatile> foot bridges over streams, on to lil country roads, then into a small preserve that runs along a stream that connects with the mississippi
09:53 <Volatile> now it's underwater :(
09:53 <@scrim> that's cool, illinois seems to do ok on parks
09:53 <@scrim> ahah yeah
09:54 <Volatile> it's part of the state-funded illinois trail program
09:54 <Volatile> it connects up with a state-wide trail
09:54 <@scrim> neat
09:54 <Volatile> if you're willing to find the connection point, which admittedly, i've never taken the whole trail out
09:54 <Volatile> i hafta get back where i came from ;P
09:54 <@scrim> yeah :)
09:54 <Volatile> but i've heard it's about 7 miles long
09:54 <@scrim> oh 7 miles does not a statewide trail make :)
09:54 <Volatile> no
09:55 <Volatile> this county's part
09:55 <Volatile> each county gets federal funding to maintain their part
09:55 <Volatile> im a small county, they maintain ~7 miles of the trail
09:55 <Volatile> s/im/im in/
09:55 <Volatile> heh
09:55 <@scrim> oh i see
09:55 <@scrim> is that the route 66 trail?
09:55 <Volatile> i really dunno
09:56 <@scrim> i saw part of that around fermilab
09:56 <Volatile> i just run it
09:56 <@scrim> eheh I DEMAND THAT YOU BE A PARK RANGER AND ANSWER MY QUESTIONS
09:56 <Volatile> it's a really interesting trail
09:56 <Volatile> so it doesnt get boring
09:56 <+sampson> man gabe is the ultimate troll
09:56 <+sampson> pay $30 and play these games to release portal 2 earlier!
09:56 <Volatile> i *hate* running straight tracks
09:56 <Volatile> sam, no shit
09:56 <Volatile> 'if you guys buy $1m worth of crap, we'll release 3 hours earlier!'
09:56 <+sampson> congrats guys on beating half the required cpu time you now get 3 hours off the release clock
09:57 <Volatile> i really like the 2K games "contest"
09:57 <Volatile> if you spend $80, you get a chance to win!
09:57 <Volatile> i thought that kind of shit was illegal
09:57 <Volatile> gabe *is* really good at milking cash from people tho
09:57 <Volatile> he didn't become a billionaire by making a really crappy 3D gam..er..
09:57 <Volatile> i *still* dont know why people cream about half-life
09:58 <+sampson> lol
09:58 <+sampson> either way i'm excited for portal 2
09:58 <+sampson> but i feel bad for all those arg players
09:59 <Volatile> hmmz
10:00 <Volatile> whats the appeal of portal to you?
10:00 <Volatile> i've played through the demo.. it seemed kinda like the same thing over and over
10:00 <Volatile> ..but i guess all FPS games are that way
10:00 <+sampson> different style of gameplay
10:00 <Volatile> even if it's first personal portal shooter
10:00 <+sampson> good story
10:00 <Volatile> personal
10:00 <Volatile> heh
10:00 <Volatile> i never got to any story
10:00 <Volatile> it was just a robot telling me to get from point A to B in a different way
10:01 <Volatile> there's actually a story in portal?
10:01 <+sampson> yeah
10:01 <Volatile> srs? are there other characters?
10:01 <Volatile> aside from you and the robot?
10:01 <+sampson> you're chell the last test subject
10:01 <+sampson> well it all has come about through ARGs and realizing shit
10:01 <+sampson> but aperture science was working on making the first AI robot
10:02 <+sampson> when they flipped the switch it killed all the scientists and everyone but a schizo doctor and chell
10:02 <+sampson> the schizo doctor made sure chell's life support worked and left messages throughout the place on how to stop glados
10:02 <+sampson> when she kills glados she gets drug back in by a robot and put back in stasis
10:03 <Volatile> craziness
10:03 <Volatile> never expected any kind of story from the demo
10:03 <Volatile> just room after room of puzzles
10:04 <Volatile> http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/The-Nondeterministic-Hash.aspx
10:04 <+sampson> and it all ties into HL2 as well
10:04 <Volatile> hahaha
10:04 <Volatile> that's awesome
10:04 <+sampson> in the end of episode 2 there's a ship called the borealis which is found
10:04 <+sampson> and it has some technology from AS that went missing 20 years earlier
10:04 <+sampson> somehow that technology is going to play a role in ep3
10:05 <+sampson> portal was mostly a thinly veiled tech demo to show some cool shit valve could do
10:05 <+sampson> people loved it so valve fleshed it the fuck out
10:05 <+sampson> in other news
10:06 <+sampson> i heard news from my mom that blew my mind
10:07 <+sampson> http://open.salon.com/blog/laura_wilkerson/2011/04/14/sensational_murder_trial_goes_to_jury_bloomington_indiana
10:07 <+sampson> i went to HS with that dude we used to be really good friends
10:08 <Volatile> with the murderer?
10:09 <+sampson> yeah
10:10 <+sampson> i never thought he would do something like that
10:10 <+sampson> he was pretty smart and rounded
10:10 <+sampson> gonna guess being a marine changed something
10:10 <Volatile> guess the spooge in his butt changed everything
10:11 <+sampson> well that too
10:11 <Volatile> wow... valve gave me a refund
10:11 <Volatile> for dungeon seige 3 pre-order
10:11 <Volatile> haha
10:11 <+sampson> but the thing is they never found if he was actually raped or if it was consentual
10:11 <Volatile> i cant believe they gave me my money back
10:11 <+sampson> why?
10:11 <Volatile> cuz.. if i pre-ordered, i got DS1 and DS2
10:11 <Volatile> upon starting them up
10:11 <Volatile> i get 'This program is known not to be compatible with your system'
10:11 <Volatile> the forum is full of that
10:12 <+sampson> hahaha
10:12 <Volatile> the game didnt work for anyone
10:12 <+sampson> nice
10:12 <+sampson> gg gaben
10:12 <Volatile> ..and on top of that, it wasn't even the complete game
10:12 <Volatile> just the *last* expansion
10:12 <+sampson> hahahahaha
10:12 <Volatile> couldn't even play the first part of the real game
10:12 <Volatile> bunch of bullshit.
10:12 <+sampson> anywho, they found some writings in the dead dude's diary about how a special person michael had entered his life
10:12 <+sampson> so it *could've* been consenual and he was found out by his fiancee or something
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10:12 <+sampson> then went apeshit
10:12 <Volatile> We've Shipped: Mortal Kombat
10:13 <Volatile> (im so excited! ...)
10:13 <Volatile> crap game will be crap
10:31 <@chrism> lol
10:31 <@chrism> probably
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10:36 <Volatile> i've seen some vids
10:36 <Volatile> looks really shitty
10:37 <Volatile> they still haven't figured out that mortal kombat's shitty fighting was only cool when it was /advanced/
10:37 <Volatile> now it's like resident evil
10:37 <@chrism> hey
10:37 <@chrism> i like RE
10:37 <@chrism> =\
10:37 <Volatile> yeah, and people still buy it
10:38 <Volatile> ..but wouldn't it be WAY better if they used an engine type that wasnt 10 years old?
10:38 <@chrism> The last one wasn't so bad looking
10:38 <Volatile> im not even talking about static scenes
10:38 <Volatile> im fine with that
10:38 <Volatile> yeah, sure.. it had all the filters and DX10, blahblah
10:38 <@chrism> wow, so my department has this habbit now apparently of not showing up until like 10, and i get here at 9
10:38 <@chrism> so i've officially given upd oing jack shit for an hour
10:39 <Volatile> No results found for habbit:
10:39 <Volatile> Did you mean habit?
10:39 <Volatile> heh
10:39 <@chrism> fu
10:39 <Volatile> i was hoping "habbit" was a church thing
10:39 <Volatile> like a group of monks
10:39 <Volatile> ..but im getting that word wrong
10:39 <@chrism> there actually is to some degree
10:39 <@chrism> but slightly diff spelling I think?
10:39 <Volatile> dunno
10:39 <Volatile> i thought habbit was some group of monks or something
10:40 <Volatile> or a hat a monk wore
10:40 <Volatile> something monk-ish
10:40 <@scrim> they refer to the thing a nun wears as a habit/habbit, but I don't know how it's spelled :)
10:40 <Volatile> oh
10:40 <Volatile> im thinking of 'abbot'
10:41 <Volatile> a man who is the head or superior, usually elected, of a monastery.
10:41 <Volatile> yeah
10:41 <Volatile> that's what it was scrim
10:42 <Volatile> the customary apparel of a particular occupation, rank, etc, now esp the costume of a nun or monk
10:42 <Volatile> spelled 'habit'
10:42 <Randy> i think it's habit.
10:43 <@chrism> fuckit
10:43 <@chrism> hobbit
10:44 <Volatile> hah
10:44 <Volatile> my first skim of your statement, i thought you had said 'hobbit' actually
10:44 <Volatile> knowing that didn't fit in with your particular job, i re-read
10:44 <Randy> most nuns look like hobbits.
10:44 <somedude> snow
10:45 <Volatile> heh
10:45 <somedude> rofl
10:45 <+sampson> lol
10:45 <+sampson> http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/comment/9/2011/04/357a3ae44927842a4b33ff2cf8608552/340x.jpg
10:46 <Volatile> haha
10:46 <Volatile> that was his third spawn too
10:46 <Volatile> cheater.
10:48 <Volatile> in preparation for witcher 2, i started a campaign through witcher 1 on hardest difficulty
10:48 <Volatile> just thought you should know
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10:49 <Volatile> sam
10:49 <Volatile> sam
10:49 <Volatile> sam
10:49 <Volatile> Hunted: The Demon's Forge gets in-game dungeon creator
10:49 <Volatile> http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/Destructoid/~3/VxxJ7Xt-hOk/hunted-the-demon-s-forge-gets-in-game-dungeon-creator-199034.phtml
10:50 <+sampson> not a big fan of custom created maps
10:50 <Volatile> When Howard boots up the demo and we enter the massive province of Skyrim, the visual upgrade is striking. It's an astonishingly realized world, this particular region of the game's expansive realm being blanketed in snow that drifts softly from the sky. Howard stops to take a look at the flakes as they cover a rock in real time.
10:50 <scofflaw> DOUBLE DIP
10:50 <scofflaw> HUIHUIHUIHUI
10:50 <scofflaw> JAJAJA
10:51 <scofflaw> :P
10:51 <scofflaw> bbl
10:51 <Volatile> lawl
10:51 <Volatile> earnings season
10:51 <scofflaw> s&p downgrade
10:51 <Volatile> actually
10:51 <Volatile> it's a re-affirm
10:51 <Volatile> but whatever
10:51 <Volatile> ;P
10:51 <scofflaw> BLOOD ON DA SKREETZ
10:51 <somedude> srsly
10:51 <somedude> why is there frigging snow
10:51 <somedude> im mad
10:52 <scofflaw> ipad3 in septermber
10:52 <scofflaw> september
10:52 <Volatile> "It's kind of nice for our world artists coming off of Fallout 3, when I [can] tell them 'Alright, you can use the green channel again,'" he jokes.
10:52 <scofflaw> true?
10:52 <+sampson> fuck no
10:52 <somedude> Apr 13, 2011 ... Apple's iPad 3 could feature a full HD resolution screen but is unlikely to reach the market until 2012,
10:52 <Volatile> no, but there may be a 2.5
10:52 <Volatile> there's something in the pipeline
10:52 <Volatile> that's based off ipad2
10:52 <scofflaw> i've read a few reports about ipad3 in sept
10:52 <Volatile> with no resolution change
10:53 <scofflaw> retina display
10:53 <Volatile> but upgraded memory/disk
10:53 <scofflaw> dual resolution blah blah
10:53 <scofflaw> something i dunno
10:53 <Volatile> that's just rumor mill crap
10:53 <scofflaw> i just need to know if i should put off purchase of an ipad2 now
10:53 <scofflaw> !
10:53 <Volatile> it's unlikely AAPL would fuck its own supply
10:53 <Volatile> they spent months trying to produce millions of ipad2s
10:53 <Volatile> i doubt they're gunna fuck that inventory by releasing something else
10:54 <Volatile> that would be a terrible decision
10:54 <Volatile> i love this
10:55 <Volatile> C made 32% less TTM, and says everyone should buy into GM earnings
10:55 <Volatile> ..everyone listens
10:55 <Volatile> GM is barely down more than half a pct
10:55 <Volatile> scofflaw left :\
10:56 <Volatile> funny.. last night i thought about selling all my mutual funds into earnings season.. wake up, markets tanking
10:57 <Volatile> "[We really want] to get activities on the screen," says Howard. "Everything you see characters doing, you can do. They work, they have lives, there's an economy... you can even sabotage the lumber mill, which will affect the local economy."
10:57 <Volatile> It's maybe easiest to think of it like "Mad Libs" for questing. An example might be a random quest encounter with a character whose child has been kidnapped. The basics of this abduction scenario have been scripted by Bethesda, but the specifics have not. The game will search out a person in the game world with a child, and then will even be smart enough to put said captured youth in a dungeon the player hasn't yet visited or discovered. In this way, mis
10:57 <Volatile> skyrim sounds so fucking win
10:58 <Volatile> cant wait six months :((
10:58 <Volatile> hell, if the sky is falling like scoff says, i may not have any cash to buy it with!
10:58 <Volatile> The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim is out worldwide on November 11, 2011 -- "the greatest date ever," says Howard -- for PC, PlayStation 3, and Xbox 360.
10:58 <Volatile> loo
11:00 <Volatile> From: CNN; Subject: Website let's you skip the patent office
11:02 <Volatile> haha
11:02 <Volatile> Silent Hill: Downpour has dripped out a few more screens. Alan and all, we hope they awake your interest in the game.
11:03 <Volatile> (cuz the screenshots look like alan wake screenshots)
11:03 <Volatile> Despite the ego clash between Apple and Adobe, it looks like that iOS 5 iDevices will be getting Flash love for web browsing.
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11:18 <@chrism> damnit portal 2 for ps3 is a new firmware version
11:18 <@chrism> =(
11:18 <@chrism> so I can't pirate it just yet
11:18 <@chrism> BOOOOO
11:18 <Volatile> loo
11:19 <@chrism> I can't buy it legit either for ps
11:19 <@chrism> er ps3
11:19 <@chrism> that may be an xbox purchase
11:19 <@chrism> lol
11:20 <chrispi> chrism: just pre-ordered that
11:20 <chrispi> can't. wait.
11:21 <m1k[3y]> hello #chicago
11:22 <Volatile> hio
11:22 <chrispi> yeoh
11:28 <@chrism> why is the mac version 20 bucks cheaper?
11:29 <@chrism> shit I may just do that
11:34 <Volatile> total 5.6% 0.0% 5.6% 0.8% 2.4% 288.8% 96.0%
11:34 <Volatile> hahah
11:34 <Volatile> 288.8% I/O wait
11:34 <Volatile> buy shitty NAS, get greater than 100% IO wait
11:34 <@chrism> how is that... possible?
11:34 <Volatile> 4 processors
11:34 <Volatile> ;P
11:34 <@chrism> soh
11:34 <@chrism> herp
11:35 <Volatile> these guys are the biggest pain in the ass customers we have
11:35 <Volatile> they always ask us for recommendations, and then roll out something totally different
11:35 <Volatile> ..and then want to know why it sucks
11:35 <Volatile> now they have four people on a project to rebuild this stupid little cluster
11:35 <Volatile> 16k users
11:36 <Volatile> four fucking people.. only one of which will be doing any real work
11:36 <Volatile> ..the rest are just corporate BS from a small company that likes to roll like it's some mega-giant
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11:50 <m1k[3y]> snow in chicago?
11:53 <@scrim> yes
11:53 <@scrim> gone now, but it fell over night
11:53 <m1k[3y]> wow aha
11:53 <m1k[3y]> it's like 60 degrees and sunny here
11:53 <@scrim> that's the thing it was 60 and sunny here yesterday
11:53 <@scrim> stupid spring
11:55 <Volatile> it was pretty cold this morning in NW IL
11:55 <Volatile> got a bit warmer tho by like 7am
11:55 <Volatile> geezuz
11:55 <Volatile> 10 day forecast is all rain/thunder
11:55 <Volatile> sucky
11:56 <Volatile> i really dont feel like doing anything today
11:56 <Volatile> :\
11:58 <Volatile> [SPAM] Blueberry plant that produces 4 pints of juicy berries daily
11:58 <Volatile> yeah right.
11:58 <@chrism> hah
11:58 <@chrism> you're bored
11:59 <Volatile> holy fuck
11:59 <Volatile> dude
11:59 <Volatile> skyrim just looks so amazing
11:59 <Volatile> http://kotaku.com/#!5793058/new-skyrim-shots-feature-orcs-cat+people-and-the-dreaded-giant-spider/gallery/1
12:00 <Volatile> ..and yes
12:00 <Volatile> i am bored
12:00 <Volatile> ..but not because i dont have anything to do
12:08 <+sampson> imma be sad when skyrim comes out
12:09 <+sampson> because my 5770 will be all "you want high res shit? NOPE"
12:10 <Volatile> 5770?
12:10 <Volatile> what's that
12:10 <+sampson> radeon 5770
12:10 <Volatile> radeon?
12:10 <Volatile> ah
12:10 <Volatile> older card?
12:10 <Volatile> i dont know anything about radeon
12:10 <+sampson> no idea
12:10 <Volatile> except that their new card is two cards sandwiched onto a single board
12:10 <+sampson> it was my only option for the mac pro
12:10 <Volatile> well
12:10 <Volatile> apparently skyrim works reasonably well even on older stuff
12:11 <Volatile> it certainly wont look like those pics on older hardware
12:11 <Volatile> i'm assuming that's some SLI config
12:11 <Volatile> or xfire
12:11 <Volatile> a lot of the newer games work reasonably well at Medium and High settings, mostly due to driver updates fixing inefficiencies
12:12 <Volatile> er.. newer games work [etc] on older cards
12:13 <SidWork> 2 days till my new I get my new cell
12:13 <SidWork> G2X varoooooom!!
12:17 <Volatile> werd
12:53 <m1k[3y]> any of you haXX0rs know of a good aim traffic sniffer?
12:54 <Volatile> wireshark
12:55 <Volatile> btw, i think aim traffic is over SSL now
12:55 <m1k[3y]> damn
12:55 <Volatile> so.. you may not be sniffing anything useful
12:55 <Volatile> what is your goal, rather than your intended solution?
12:56 <@chrism> just reverse the third order hash and combine that with a known working pepper and you're gold
12:57 <@chrism> so I found audio kryptonite for my lil girl... Found one specific song that no matter what she's doing, or what mood she's in, she HAS to dance to
12:57 <@chrism> it's funny as shit
12:57 <m1k[3y]> well, long story, i was helping our new QA manager who is one weird ( and big) fucking guy, and while i was helping him i saw a chat window pop up with a icon of a teddy bear which kind of really freaked us out
12:57 <@chrism> maybe it's his kid or something?
12:57 <m1k[3y]> nah, he does not have any kids
12:58 <m1k[3y]> i don't know man
12:58 <Volatile> who cares what someone's AIM icon is?
12:58 <Volatile> are you seriously trying to sniff his traffic because an AIM icon was a teddy bear?
12:58 <@chrism> besides sniffing traffic is an ugly, ugly can of worms to open
12:58 <@chrism> i refused to do that shit back at mP
12:58 <m1k[3y]> i suppose
12:58 <@chrism> just cause that's really the right road to take
12:58 <@chrism> hehe
12:58 <Volatile> mine is a chess peice
12:58 <@chrism> VOL IS A PEDO
12:58 <@chrism> what?
12:58 <Volatile> if someone chats with me, and you see the icon, are you going to think i'm a super computer?
12:59 <Volatile> BECAUSE.I.AM.
12:59 <m1k[3y]> hahah
12:59 * Volatile buzzes and whirs
12:59 <@chrism> mine's the 4chan OMG smiley
12:59 <@chrism> lol
12:59 <Volatile> mine's shoop-da-whoop, because racism is cool!
12:59 <@chrism> http://driph.com/words/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/e.gif
12:59 <Volatile> speaking of shoop-da-whoop and racism
12:59 <Volatile> it's hilarious how many people don't realize shoop is racist
12:59 <Volatile> even on 4chan.
12:59 <Volatile> s/hilarious/sad/
13:00 <Volatile> coryostrudel at godcomplex dot com 17-May-2006 12:45
13:00 <Volatile> If you are storing your passwords with and MD5 hash and are worried about collisions, an approach I have used was to store two passwords for the user.
13:00 <Volatile> from pee eych pee dot net
13:00 * chrism shakes head
13:00 <Volatile> who the fuck worries about password collisions with md5?
13:00 <Volatile> even if they happen.. *who cares*
13:00 <Volatile> heh
13:00 <@chrism> yeah there's all sorts of wrong with that
13:01 <Volatile> http://www.php.net/manual/en/function.md5.php#52500 <-- someone who replied with *facts* regarding collisions
13:03 <Volatile> check out these functions to fake a sha1 entry using md5. Very, very secure if attackers get your password file...
13:03 <Volatile> also, it encrypts differently for the same string, every time
13:03 <Volatile> geezuz christ.
13:03 <Volatile> hahah
13:03 <Volatile> people are idiots.
13:04 <Volatile> In response to the person who suggested concatenation of hashes, I believe that the hashing of a hash would be a better option.
13:04 <Volatile> the human race is doomed.
13:04 <@chrism> haaha
13:04 <@chrism> man
13:04 <@chrism> it's just php devs
13:04 <@chrism> it is what it is
13:05 <@chrism> so I'm tryign to make the shift from procedural code to OO perl
13:05 <@chrism> and like, ya know, I don't fucking get why
13:05 <@chrism> like I'm missing something, i'm sure
13:05 <@chrism> but... idgi
13:05 <Volatile> perl has OO?
13:05 <@chrism> ish
13:05 <@chrism> yeah
13:05 <Volatile> i had no idea.
13:05 <@chrism> http://urth.org/~autarch/new-pod/html/perlootut.pod.html
13:06 <@chrism> and it's all BS. I have this code that does the job fucking fine. Totally legible, all is good with it
13:07 <@chrism> but I have to rewrite it all in OOP cause this one particular instance of a test application already has it written in OOP
13:07 <@chrism> and "it should match"
13:07 <Volatile> hmm
13:07 <Volatile> is the OO handled in the VM?
13:08 <@chrism> I'd believe so
13:08 <@chrism> like we don't use OOP in the core product because of the overhead associated with it
13:08 <@chrism> that much I know
13:08 <@chrism> now I don't know to what degree that's true
13:09 <Volatile> ergh
13:09 <Volatile> well
13:10 <Volatile> http://search.cpan.org/~rjbs/perl-5.12.3/pod/perlobj.pod indicates it's not "true" OO, but regardless, it's cool that perl has OO stuff
13:10 <@chrism> yeah it's termed as "oo lite" a lot
13:10 <Volatile> *shrug* perl's base already supported the stuff OO needed
13:10 <Volatile> they implemented it with hashes
13:10 <Volatile> that's how a lot of scripting languages do it
13:11 <Volatile> it just turns out a few new reserved keywords that operate on blessed hashes (as objects), created OO
13:11 <Volatile> heh
13:11 <Volatile> i didnt know perl had that
13:12 <@chrism> yeah
13:12 <@chrism> i mean my thing is that it's a bit weird to get to thinking about
13:13 <@chrism> whatever i can get over that hump
13:13 <@chrism> I just don't get the *why* of it, ya know?
13:13 <@chrism> at least for this shit
13:13 <Volatile> it's a big move to switch from single instance to object oriented
13:13 <Volatile> 99% of the code i do is not OO
13:14 <@chrism> What's the reason to make that jump?
13:14 <Volatile> there have been a few bigger projects where C++ was a requirement
13:14 <Volatile> some will argue OO is easier to maintain and "makes more sense"
13:14 <@chrism> that's what I hear around here
13:14 <@chrism> but I dunno it's always a PITA to debug
13:14 <Volatile> also, compilers can optimize differently
13:14 <@chrism> aah
13:15 <Volatile> there's all kinds of reasons, but mainly, OO is a newer way to implement the same thing, and a lot of people are used to dealing with it
13:15 <Volatile> any project i work on, it does not matter how project X gets to the finish line, as long as it makes it there, and achieves all goals
13:16 <Volatile> sometimes OO is a goal
13:16 <Volatile> heh
13:17 <Volatile> usually not though
13:19 <Volatile> fyi, anything that was really complicated, etc, i'd probably envision it (at least in C/C++) as a series of "modules" or "parts".. OO handles that automatically pretty much
13:19 <Volatile> if i had to write a game or something, i'd use C++
13:19 <Volatile> (or C# i suppose)
13:20 <Volatile> probably C++ for anything that wanted to display something complicated ;P
13:27 <Volatile> oh geez. one of the guys on the php md5() page wrote a key/xor algorithm, and encoded the resulting garbage as md5, because this makes things "very secure"
13:28 <Volatile> page 1 applied crypto: DO NOT ROLL YOUR OWN
13:28 <Volatile> heh
14:15 <@chrism> goodamnit I thought this method I had was all fucked up
14:15 <@chrism> so i tinkered and tinkered and tinkered
14:15 <@chrism> nope, fucking firewall
14:15 <@chrism> =\
14:18 <Volatile> heh
14:43 <@chrism> man fuck this weather
14:43 <@chrism> it's like 80 here
14:43 <@chrism> no big deal
14:43 <@chrism> but HUMID AS FUCK
14:58 <Volatile> any fires near ya?
15:01 <@chrism> not known
15:01 <@chrism> hehe
15:06 <+sampson> http://i.imgur.com/EGyct.jpg
15:11 <@chrism> your cat looks fucking pissed
15:17 <+sampson> hehehehe
15:19 <chrispi> chrism: all cats look pissed
15:19 <chrispi> they're hateful, spite-filled assholes
15:22 <@chrism> thttp://theoatmeal.com/blog/fix_computer
15:22 <@chrism> lol
15:22 <@chrism> er http://theoatmeal.com/blog/fix_computer
15:26 <chrispi> hahaha
15:32 <Volatile> why did you shave your pussy?
15:32 <Volatile> loo
15:36 <@chrism> so yeah
15:36 <@chrism> somehow my gmail got CC'd into some fuckhead trying to buy advertising from another fuckhead
15:36 <@chrism> and they keep CCing me
15:37 <@chrism> today, I replied with this.
15:37 <@chrism> Hey there,
15:37 <@chrism> I'd like to move ahead with the purchase of a small advertisement. Ideally, this would involve large amounts of cock. Now I understand that the total sum of the cock that we can push into an advert is wholly dependent upon the amount of real estate we purchase on your site, so I need to seek a bit of guidance here.
15:37 <@chrism> What sort of space do you believe would translate into the largest amount of pure web facing bell-end as possible? I'm hoping to get at least 3-4 juicy ones in there.
15:37 <@chrism> It should also be noted that we prefer these to be hard cocks. No flaccid penii are capable of representing our financial juggernaut.
15:37 <@chrism> 'ta
15:37 <mrtyfrdm> no
15:37 <@chrism> stfu, go reboot things
15:37 <@scrim> ahaha
15:38 <@scrim> that should get them to stop CCing you :)
15:38 <@chrism> I'm curious to see what they come back with
15:38 <@chrism> lol
15:38 <@chrism> but yes, this would be the plan
15:38 <Volatile> heh
15:39 <Volatile> make sure to use cpanel.com email address
15:39 <@chrism> haha
15:39 <@scrim> ahah
15:39 <@chrism> (.net)
15:39 <Volatile> heh
15:39 <@scrim> chris@cpanel.net WE NOW SUPPORT 100% COCK
15:39 <Volatile> NOW WILL BIGGER BELL-ENDS
15:39 <Volatile> heh
15:40 <Volatile> k
15:40 <Volatile> bbiab.
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15:56 <+sampson> woot portal tonight at 9pm
15:56 <+sampson> and i have to upgrade a lb at midnight
15:56 <+sampson> which means 3 hours of portalicious fuckary
15:57 <chrispi> 9pm eh?
15:57 <chrispi> guess people are making progress
15:57 <+sampson> the potatoes kicked in
15:57 <+sampson> they're counting down to expire at 10pm pacific
15:57 <+sampson> so i guess that's 11pm
15:57 <+sampson> whatever fuck you dad
16:21 <chrispi> hey, i'm hoping for earlier too
16:22 <chrispi> definitely like to get a few hours in before i need to crash
16:26 <@chrism> god, so this package was supposed to inherit all the methods from the parent package. YEAH IT FUCKING DOESN'T>
16:26 <@chrism> 2 hours spent troubleshooting something that never should have worked
16:26 * chrism thunks head into desk
16:26 <chrispi> ouch
16:27 <@chrism> I'm trying to refactor like, 1k + lines of code to be 1. object oriented, and 2. run remotely
16:27 <@chrism> and the libraries i'm having to use are all fuckered up
16:27 <@chrism> =\
16:32 <chrispi> lamesauce
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16:42 <@chrism> gfd i just realized why my last two batches of beer are "off" flavored
16:43 <@chrism> fucking oxyclean residual in the 12oz bottles
16:43 <@chrism> harmless to us humans, but the trace bits make the beer oxidize super fucking fast
16:43 <@chrism> =\
16:43 <@chrism> that's why my deuce deuces taste A++++++ but the 12 ozs do not
16:43 <@chrism> Fuck bottling, I need to get to kegging
16:43 <@chrism> =\
16:44 <phobosd> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPNL82EY1dY
16:44 <@chrism> hahaha
16:44 <@chrism> NICE TRY MPAA
16:45 <phobosd> that guy obv needs a newsgroup account
16:45 <@chrism> haha
16:45 <@chrism> something
17:00 <+sampson> dvds... BITCH I GOT H264
17:01 <n|cotine> x264 > H264
17:01 <+sampson> whatever it is
17:01 <+sampson> mkv bitchesssss
17:01 <+sampson> n|cotine: 3:57 Chase Ewing entered the room.
17:01 <+sampson> HEH
17:01 <n|cotine> lulz
17:02 <n|cotine> he'll be late to his going away party
17:02 <+sampson> planning a going away party the night portal 2 is coming out
17:02 <+sampson> shameful
17:03 <n|cotine> Not bad, get users to spend 100K+ to release a game a day early
17:03 <@chrism> hahah
17:03 <@chrism> really?
17:04 <+sampson> yeah
17:04 <+sampson> so they had this ARG going on
17:04 <+sampson> and it ended with this http://www.aperturescience.com/glados@home/
17:04 <+sampson> spend $40 and play these games to fill the bars and portal 2 comes out earlier guys!!!
17:04 <@chrism> hahaha
17:04 <+sampson> (it's coming out at 10pm PST)
17:05 <n|cotine> HOW CAN YOU TELL
17:05 <+sampson> was supposed to come out at like 10am i think
17:05 <+sampson> the potatoes will hit zero at 10pm pst exactly
17:05 <n|cotine> fuck, looks like no sleep for me tonight.
17:05 <+sampson> luckily i got a lb to upgrade tonight
17:05 <+sampson> :D
17:07 <+sampson> i guess i'll download amnesia and let it idle since that's the only game i have that isn't finished now
17:07 <+sampson> although iirc it's like 5gb
17:19 <@chrism> oh nice, it's in the 90's for the rest of hte week with 90+% RH
17:19 <@chrism> Fuck this city
17:19 <@chrism> and that's SPRING
17:19 * chrism awaits 110*F w/ 95% RH
17:25 <+sampson> hey it snowed here yesterday
17:25 <@chrism> fu
17:25 <@chrism> my palm trees could use some snow
17:37 <phobosd> it snowed in chicago last night
17:38 <@chrism> I would def. trade for the shit we have here
17:40 <Volatile> da-da-da
17:40 <Volatile> ohi
17:41 <somedude> it snowed here this mroning too
17:41 <somedude> if im not wrong
17:41 <somedude> fkin bs
17:41 <+sampson> DAMN YOU STEAM
17:41 <phobosd> http://i.imgur.com/b0WJY.jpg
17:42 <+sampson> i almost had another potato but the damn community went down
17:42 <Volatile> haha
17:42 <Volatile> AAPL is suing samsung over the galaxy tablet
17:43 <phobosd> lol
17:43 <phobosd> they mad
17:43 <Volatile> The lawsuit, filed on April 15, alleged that Samsung's smartphones, including
17:43 <Volatile> the "Galaxy S 4G," "Epic 4G," "Nexus S" and its "Galaxy Tab" touchscreen
17:43 <Volatile> tablet, violate Apple's intellectual property. The 38-page lawsuit was filed in
17:43 <Volatile> the U.S. court's northern California district.
17:43 <phobosd> that tab is pretty shitty though tbqh
17:43 <Volatile> i doubt AAPL would file if they didn't think they could win
17:43 <+sampson> i thought dan loved his
17:43 <phobosd> nope.avi
17:43 <Volatile> i bet they win, and samsung gets pwnt.
17:43 <phobosd> he got a xoom
17:43 <+sampson> damn
17:43 <+sampson> he must have like 8 tablets by now
17:43 <Volatile> all ur profits r belong to aapl
17:43 <+sampson> what patents did they violate vol
17:44 <Volatile> IP
17:44 <Volatile> could be any number of things.
17:44 <Volatile> the overview says samsung stole their look & feel
17:44 <Volatile> ie: it resembles parts of the ipad that are trademarked
17:45 <Volatile> "Rather than innovate and develop its own technology and a unique Samsung
17:45 <Volatile> style for its smart phone products and computer tablets, Samsung chose to copy
17:45 <Volatile> Apple's technology, user interface and innovative style in these infringing
17:45 <Volatile> products," Apple said in the filing.
17:45 <Volatile> In its suit against Samsung, Apple alleges that in addition to using its
17:45 <Volatile> technology designs, Samsung also borrowed from its aesthetic. In the lawsuit,
17:45 <Volatile> Apple displayed side-by-side images of its products and the Samsung
17:45 <Volatile> equivalents. Apple said Samsung's application icons also borrowed from Apple's
17:45 <Volatile> design.
17:46 <Volatile> samsung gives its profits to apple; apple lets samsung keep its assembly line debts.
17:47 <Volatile> in other news, some funny comments on Outlook on the Dovecot mailing list
17:47 <Volatile> According to Microsoft, Outlook isn't broken, the rest of the world
17:47 <Volatile> > > is wrong... So no, they haven't fixed it.
17:47 <Volatile> > There's a reason the civilized world calls it "LookOut!"
17:47 <+sampson> i like outlook vOv
17:49 <Volatile> i like how outlook requires folders be sorted alphabetically
17:49 <Volatile> i also line how it attaches winmail.dat to everything
17:49 <Volatile> like too
17:50 <Volatile> truthfully, i think macmail, or whatever that failsauce that comes with MacOS X is called, is far worse than outlook
17:51 <+sampson> macmail is a pile of shit
17:51 <+sampson> it's actually Mail.app
17:51 <Volatile> indeed.
17:51 <Volatile> everything is an app
17:52 <Volatile> i got in this really bad habit of picking at my beard while thinking about work-related shit
17:52 <somedude> lol
17:52 <somedude> failsauce
17:52 <Volatile> heh
17:53 <Volatile> Mail.app is really bad on the back-end
17:53 <Volatile> i've never seen the interface.
17:53 <Volatile> it may be really nice for the end-user
17:54 <Volatile> it uses a new IMAP connection for pretty much everything, and I really can't figure out why, since IMAP supports concurrent operations
17:54 <Volatile> probably the same reason people write threaded programs where one thread = one operation
17:54 <Volatile> need 20 operations: spawn 20 threads!
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