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#Chicago on Saturday, March 26, 2011
Links mentioned
today:
http://existentialtype.wordpress.com/2011/03/15/teaching-fp-to-freshmen/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Testosterone
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00413053E/ref=ox_ya_os_product
http://www.google.com/products/catalog?hl=en&q=kitchen+aid+meat+grinder&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&um=1&ie=UTF-8&cid=18369559647245952489&sa=X&ei=CEOOTa7zEci-0QH60sGoCw&ved=0CD0Q8gIwAg#
Log as of 11:59PM (time in
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01:35 <Randy> who wouldn't like a dead cat
07:04 <@scrim> dead puppies aren't much fun
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10:05 <VVelox>
http://existentialtype.wordpress.com/2011/03/15/teaching-fp-to-freshmen/
10:06 <VVelox> I am at a loss of words to describe how making
OOP electrive is completely fucking stupid.
10:10 <@scrim> depends who, elective for business majors or
something like that, people who only need to learn that programming
exists might not matter
10:11 <@scrim> yeah or for perspective cs majors
10:11 <@scrim> they'll get it later
10:11 <@scrim> no big deal
10:14 <@scrim> oh i see
10:14 <VVelox> It needs to be taught along side functional
programming.
10:14 <@scrim> they think oop doesn't work in paralell
systems
10:14 <@scrim> which is how everything is moving
10:15 <VVelox> And that is a load of crap.
10:15 <@scrim> the dean of carniege mellon disagrees :)
10:15 <VVelox> Most likely it means he has never done any
thing other than very trivial programming.
10:16 <@scrim> that's one of the top comp sci schools in the
country, i doubt they
10:16 <@scrim> that's one of the top comp sci schools in the
country, i doubt they're that far off base
10:16 <VVelox> OOP type stuff exists and is heavily used in
functional programming. It is the BUDT or Big Ugly Data Type that
gets passed around as a reference.
10:16 <VVelox> The big point behind OOP is to make that
easier.
10:17 <@scrim> perhaps the have some new methods
10:17 <VVelox> Doubt it.
10:17 <@scrim> i don't really know, though I do know they're
right about parallel processing
10:18 <@scrim> that's certainly the way things will and do
work
10:18 <VVelox> There is no place really to go with out
renaming something that already exists.
10:18 <VVelox> That is actually language dependent on if it
is a problem or not.
10:22 <VVelox> A large part of the problem is in CS for
teaching OOP, from what I've seen, Java is largely used. Java is a
horrible example of OOP. Perl 5 is what OOP in a language should
strive to be.
10:22 <VVelox> BUDT made simple.
10:23 <@scrim> i don't know enough about programming to
argue. i'll agree java is a pile of shit based on how it runs
though :)
10:23 <VVelox> hehe :)
10:24 <@scrim> just saying, if your position is "carniege
mellon's CS department is retarded" you've got a uphill battle
:)
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12:48 <tronyx> morning
12:48 <m1k[3y]_> morning
12:49 <m1k[3y]_> who was talking about Creatine
yesterday?
12:49 <tronyx> me
12:49 <tronyx> what's up mr m1k[3y]_?
12:49 <m1k[3y]_> ah, forgot what kind to get
12:50 <tronyx> creatine monohydrate
12:50 <m1k[3y]_> and there are no adverse affects of
creatine?
12:50 <tronyx> just straight up creating monohydrate. don't
get any of the like, hybrid mixes because you generally don't need
that extra stuff
12:50 <tronyx> if you really want a hybrid thing, just add
creatine to a protein shake
12:51 <tronyx> no reputable studies have ever
discovered adverse effects of
creatine
12:51 <tronyx> there's actually creatine in a lot of shit,
like milk
12:51 <m1k[3y]_> cool cool
12:51 <tronyx> but you'd have to drink an ass ton of milk to
get 25 grams of creatine, which is what is recommended for your
"loading week"
12:51 <tronyx> did you read about loading creatine?
12:51 <m1k[3y]_> yeah, i have been doing some research
12:51 <tronyx> ok
12:52 <tronyx> i go to vitamin shoppe and i buy bodytech
creatine monohydrate
12:52 <tronyx> and elite brand whey protein isolate for my
shakes
12:52 <tronyx> it's pretty cheap protein, tastes nice and has
low carbs/cals
12:52 <m1k[3y]_> ah, no vitamin shoppes close to me but there
is a GNC right down the street
12:52 <tronyx> protip coming at you
12:53 <tronyx> get vanilla elite, a2 scoops of poweder, 12 oz
milk, add in a tbsp of peanut butter for healthy fats, more
protein, 1 rounded tsp creatine, toss in a banana and slam that
shit
12:53 <tronyx> then you will feel like you can murder people
for fun
12:54 <tronyx> the poatssium in the banana will help a lot
with post workout fatigue as well
12:54 <tronyx> you looking to bulk up or get cut for now?
12:54 <m1k[3y]_> just get cut
12:55 <m1k[3y]_> i am a pretty skinny guy
12:55 <tronyx> what's your workout like?
12:55 <m1k[3y]_> and relatively short (5'9
12:56 <m1k[3y]_> i run about 2 miles in the treadmill then do
some curls, sholder presses, chest presses, crunches, and
hyperextensions for my lower back
12:57 <tronyx> right on
12:57 <tronyx> you doing 4x10s or 4x16 or what?
12:57 <m1k[3y]_> 4X10
12:57 <tronyx> setsxreps
12:57 <tronyx> 4x10 you could get beast
12:57 <tronyx> do you want to puke when you're done on
weights?
12:57 <m1k[3y]_> i have to use lower weights haha
12:57 <m1k[3y]_> nah
12:57 <m1k[3y]_> not really
12:57 <tronyx> right on man :)
12:57 <m1k[3y]_> after running i am a little light headed
12:58 <tronyx> i'm not a big guy either, i just got into
getting serious about working out but i'm the kind of guy who when
i get into something, i go balls out
12:58 <m1k[3y]_> and a bit sore after the workout
12:58 <tronyx> i've more than doubled my bench weight since i
started like, two weeks ago
12:58 <m1k[3y]_> nice
12:58 <tronyx> not as in, "look at how strong i am" it's
still low weight, but i've changed my workout so i can get bigger
and then i think i'll try and cut later
12:59 <tronyx> i was doing half as much but x16 reps and it
felt good but i decided i wanted to get bigger, so i upped the
weight and scaled back the reps
12:59 <tronyx> that's the only reason why, i'm definitely not
twice as strong as when i started lol
12:59 <m1k[3y]_> i am fucking weak. it's funny to see my
skinny ass standing next to some fucking meathead lifting my weight
in curls
12:59 <tronyx> LOL i know the feeling
13:00 <tronyx> i work with a guy who's awesome, but he looks
like a jersey shore mother fucker
13:00 <tronyx> not guido, but he's straight up jacked
13:00 <m1k[3y]_> haha
13:00 <m1k[3y]_> i want to get cut bruce lee style
13:00 <m1k[3y]_> don't think i can get too big
13:00 <tronyx> so i always chat workout advice with him and
he's talking about how i should carry a puke bucket with me, like
he does
13:00 <m1k[3y]_> hahhaa
13:01 <tronyx> you'd be surprised, if you load on creatine
and go to failure three times a week, you'll see a big size
increase in 90 days
13:01 <m1k[3y]_> yeah, i don't think it can be too healthy
where you work yourself to the point of puking
13:01 <tronyx> shit, even after two weeks or so from what i
read
13:01 <tronyx> yea, i'd be worry about tearing muscles
13:03 <m1k[3y]_> ok bro, i am off to hit the gym and stop by
GNC
13:04 <m1k[3y]_> gonna get ripped
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13:38 <@chrism> I miss lifting =(
13:38 <@chrism> tronyx: that's a good way to fuck yourself up
good
13:38 <@chrism> hehe
13:39 <@chrism> that's like what you do once your body is
conditioned to lifting/working out a bit and more importantly
muscle memory retains EVERY LITTLE MOVEMENT to a T
13:39 <@chrism> if you're not doing much or anything right
now, give yourself 2 weeks or so to get into the groove, you'll
*know* when you're ready to start rocking
13:39 <@chrism> also google for "big boy basics" fucking
A++++++ workout schedule that works wonders
13:45 <@chrism> on that note, imma go buy meat, and grind my
own fucking burgers
13:45 <@chrism> A++++
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14:53 <sampson> ffffuuuuuuuu
14:53 <sampson> finding shoes in south dakota =
impossible
14:53 <sampson> unless you want tennis shoes or cowboy
boots
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15:06 <m1k[3y]_> just got back from the gym
15:07 <m1k[3y]_> ready to lift a house
15:07 <m1k[3y]_> and do some fag bashing
15:07 <m1k[3y]_> FUCK YEA BRO
15:18 <tronyx> don't you mean some mattman bashing,
m1k[3y]_?
15:19 <m1k[3y]_> hahha
15:19 <tronyx> i worked out too
15:20 <tronyx> totally punched a weaker individual to assert
my superiority
15:20 <m1k[3y]_> hahhaa, you got to show those pussys who's
boss
15:20 <tronyx> yea
15:21 <tronyx> you get your creatine on?
15:21 <m1k[3y]_> i did
15:21 <tronyx> what kind did you get?
15:21 <m1k[3y]_> creatine monohydrate
15:21 <m1k[3y]_> GNC brand
15:21 <tronyx> cool. what did you drink it in?
15:21 <m1k[3y]_> OJ
15:21 <m1k[3y]_> is that cool?
15:22 <tronyx> i might get a different kind next time, i feel
like mine doesn't dissolve fast enough
15:22 <tronyx> oh, no it's not cool
15:22 <tronyx> apple juice or grape juice
15:22 <m1k[3y]_> ah
15:22 <m1k[3y]_> ok
15:22 <tronyx> i get the Mott's for tots apple juice. idk if
it's as effective but it's less sugary for me
15:22 <tronyx> and won't make me poop
15:23 <tronyx> i don't know the specifics, but something
about apple juice and creatine and insuline and creatine uptake and
citrus being bad for creatine
15:23 <tronyx> or in a post workout protein shake
15:23 <tronyx> you doing the shakes?
15:23 <m1k[3y]_> just 1 a day
15:23 <tronyx> you're in beast mode
15:23 <tronyx> i like it
15:23 <tronyx> i should come to NY and we can fight some
people
15:24 <m1k[3y]_> ahha, when i come back in may we can go to
boys town and do some fag bashing
15:24 <tronyx> awesome
15:24 <tronyx> at the very least, we should help old people
cross the street to make ourselves feel stronger and more
powerful
15:24 <tronyx> if that doesn't work, we can steal purses
15:25 <tronyx> you down?
15:25 <m1k[3y]_> fuck yea bro
15:25 <tronyx> sweet
15:25 <m1k[3y]_> lets do this!
15:25 <tronyx> we can be like, "hey homosexuals, time to
tango with the BROMOSEXUALS!"
15:25 <m1k[3y]_> HAHHAH
15:25 <tronyx> unless we run into some of those big fucking
bear looking homosexuals
15:25 <tronyx> they would snatch us up like cupcakes
15:25 <m1k[3y]_> fuck that shit
15:25 <tronyx> and we can'thave that
15:26 <m1k[3y]_> by the time i get back to chicago i am going
to be ripped like a beast
15:26 <m1k[3y]_> i will throw those fuckers in the chicago
river
15:26 <tronyx> during pride parade
15:26 <tronyx> everyone will think we're so cool
15:27 <tronyx> you know what i like
15:27 <tronyx> ever since i've started working out, i take
the best shits
15:29 <m1k[3y]_> we will cruse down LSD in a Maserati getting
BJs from polish whores
15:29 <tronyx> so sweet
15:29 <m1k[3y]_> ITS ON BRO
15:30 <@chrism> morning protien shake shits are fucking
intimidating
15:31 <@chrism> lord help the poor fucker in the bathroom
after you
15:31 <tronyx> hahaha yea
15:31 <@chrism> also morning protien shakes were like my
favorite breakfast ever
15:31 <@chrism> the ON whey breaks down AWESOMELY w/o any
fucked up tastes or clumping
15:31 <@chrism> btw
15:31 <@chrism> and it's cheap
15:31 <@chrism> lol
15:32 <@chrism> bodybuilding forums loved that shit about 2-3
years ago
15:32 <@chrism> i dunno anymore
15:33 <@chrism> I always <3'd some skim milk, a banana
some peanut butter and some whey in a blender
15:33 <@chrism> or get the frozen bags of mixed berries
15:33 <@chrism> DELICIOUS
15:34 <tronyx> amen to all of the above
15:34 <tronyx> peanut butter and banana shake is the
ticket
15:34 <@chrism> hah yeah
15:34 <@chrism> i always did the vanilla flavored whey so it'd work with *
15:34 <tronyx> oh and m1k[3y]_, with creatine, make sure
you're drinking a ton of water when you're loading
15:34 <@chrism> hell when lifting in general
15:34 <@chrism> drink lots of water
15:34 <@chrism> =P
15:35 <tronyx> yea but when you're jamming creatine in your
face especially
15:35 <@chrism> oh yeah
15:35 <@chrism> def.
15:35 <tronyx> i feel so strange because like
15:35 <tronyx> well you've seen me chrism, not a big dude,
but i am getting there
15:35 <@chrism> i never suplimented with creatine, just plain
ole whey protien plus the fish oils n shit
15:35 <@chrism> werd
15:35 <tronyx> and when i go to the gym, i go so fucking
hardcore
15:35 <@chrism> how long you been lifting?
15:35 <tronyx> and i see guys twice my sice doing what i do
on the bench and i am like, "YOU'RE WASTING YOUR TIME BITCH
MOVE!"
15:36 <@chrism> hahaha
15:36 <tronyx> uhhh, seriously for about three weeks
15:36 <m1k[3y]_> oh tronyx will do
15:36 <@chrism> nice, nice
15:36 <@chrism> man, I hit a weird spot
15:36 <@chrism> like after about the 2.5->3 month mark w/
me I started getting super fucking aggressive
15:36 <@chrism> like wigged myself out a few times, cause i'm
kinda aggressive to begin with
15:37 <m1k[3y]_> hahah
15:37 <@chrism> oh dude, like zak would be in my office and
we'd be talking and he'd say something i'd disaggree with and I'd
go WHAM fist on the desk
15:37 <@chrism> and then be like "wtf did I just do?"
15:37 <tronyx> LOL
15:37 <@chrism> apologize and shit
15:37 <@chrism> heh
15:37 <@chrism> fucking testosterone man
15:38 <Randy> sounds more like immaturity
15:38 <m1k[3y]_> i feel the exact opposite...like working out
is helping relieve the aggression
15:38 <@chrism> nah not quite
15:38 <@chrism> but thanks for your lil smartass quip randy,
it's appreciated
15:38 * Randy hands over a pacifier.
15:38 <@chrism> it was for me for the longest, it was like my
zen part of the day
15:38 <@chrism> but yeah you'll def. notice the testosterone
after a few months
15:38 <@chrism> just keep your shit in check and you're gold
=P
15:39 <Randy> so outbursts, also known as tantrums, are
testosterone manly moments?
15:39 <@chrism> well typically we regulate testosterone
really damned well, we get used to a baseline
15:39 <Randy> no wonder we have so many manly men in
prisons.
15:39 <m1k[3y]_> on that note..im gonna take a shower...got
to get ready for those russian nyc whores
15:39 <@chrism> but you start lifting and your bodies natural
reaction is to kick up the production like woah
15:39 <@chrism> lol
15:40 <@chrism> good like m1k[3y]_ don't lose a kidney and
wakeup in a bathtub of ice
15:40 <Randy> ahh so instead of your penis being the brain
your biceps are
15:40 <@chrism> sorta, it's all tied together
15:40 <Randy> does your actual brain ever factor in?
15:40 <@chrism> sorta, this is below that to a certain
degree, or above?
15:40 <@chrism> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Testosterone
15:40 <@chrism> it's like a natural steroid
15:41 <Randy> i'm a guy i have testosterone. i just don't use
it as an excuse for childish behavior.
15:41 <@chrism> oh nah this was like, not me at all type of
stuff
15:41 <Randy> if you see a hot girl would you be tempted to
go have your way forcibly with her? it's testosterone afterall.
15:41 <@chrism> and it wasn't all the time or whatever
15:41 <@chrism> nah not like that at all
15:42 <@chrism> def. not using it as a justification for
being an ass, just something I noticed
15:42 <Randy> so u just used it as a convenient excuse for a
tantrum then.
15:42 <@chrism> s/convenient/scientific/ =P
15:42 <@chrism> I mean a perfect example of this shit cranked
up to 01983912839 is roid rage
15:42 <Randy> grownups control their emotional outbursts,
children not so much.
15:42 <@chrism> documented, well known and it's fucked up
15:43 <@chrism> Not when your hormones go WAAAY outta
whack
15:43 <Randy> lol ok man
15:43 <Randy> if you feel justified, go for it.
15:43 <Randy> i still think it's a tantrum tho.
15:43 <Randy> :)
15:43 <@chrism> Nah not, just saying I noticed it and it was
something to keep an eye out for
15:44 <@chrism> :shrug: It's a fact of human physiology
15:44 <@chrism> but then again, you know all
15:45 <Randy> nah i don't dispute that elevated testosterone
can make ya edgy or even violent
15:45 <@chrism> well you are actually
15:45 <Randy> but i think letting yourself exhibit such ways
is a weak outlet.
15:45 <@chrism> letting yourself and having just a flat out
kneejerk reaction are two different things
15:45 <@chrism> which is what I was trying to explain =)
15:45 <Randy> you're claiming it was an autonomic action?
15:45 <@chrism> and it wasn't like I walked around being a
fucking prick
15:45 <Randy> you had no control over your fist?
15:46 <Randy> see i don't buy that.
15:46 <@chrism> I gesticulate a lot to begin with
15:46 <@chrism> like... a LOT
15:46 <@chrism> it's just kinda how I roll
15:46 * Randy checks the stiffness of chris's wrists
15:46 <@chrism> I mean you're making it sound like I flipped
over a desk and went all hulk and shit
15:46 <@chrism> lol
15:47 <Randy> you're making yourself sound the way you do
15:47 <Randy> you're saying your violent outburst was out of
your control
15:47 <Randy> i am just calling ya out on that
15:47 <@chrism> Nah you drawing out a simple statement with a
heavy dose of ignorance makes us overanalyze a simple comment
15:47 <Randy> i don't buy it.
15:47 <@chrism> I'm not sellin it
15:47 <sampson> Randy: what do you think of the shoes i
ordered
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00413053E/ref=ox_ya_os_product
15:48 <Randy> kinda boring, sampson
15:48 <@chrism> regardless, imma go fresh grind some
hamburger now for ultimate burger goodness
15:48 <@chrism> !
15:48 <sampson> you're boring
15:48 <Randy> :p
15:48 <@chrism> actually i need to see if it's cold yet
15:48 <Randy> chris, do it without the grinder
15:48 <Randy> use your fists
15:48 <Randy> :p
15:48 <@chrism> lol
15:48 <@chrism> sampson:
http://www.google.com/products/catalog?hl=en&q=kitchen+aid+meat+grinder&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&um=1&ie=UTF-8&cid=18369559647245952489&sa=X&ei=CEOOTa7zEci-0QH60sGoCw&ved=0CD0Q8gIwAg#
15:48 <@chrism> \m/
15:48 <Randy> sampson, which color did u go with
15:48 <sampson> yeah ii've seen it
15:48 <sampson> brown randy
15:49 <sampson> needed new brown shoes
15:49 <Randy> i like the black ones better
15:49 <sampson> mine died this year
15:49 <@chrism> I haven't ground meat in fuckin ages
15:49 <@chrism> not since i was like 10
15:49 <@chrism> lol
15:49 <Randy> good thing you have all that new testosterone
to help
15:50 <@chrism> Your lack of attention is only surpassed by
your inability to troll
15:50 <@chrism> on that note, brb gotta see if this meat is
chilled
15:50 <sampson> chrism: i read somewhere that the grinder
attachment can be tempermental
15:50 * Randy hugs chris
15:50 <@chrism> <3's
15:50 <@chrism> lol
15:50 <@chrism> sampson: yeah?
15:51 <Randy> chris, i <3 ya man :p
15:51 <@chrism> it's plastic, so I could see it flexing
15:51 <@chrism> you're not getting my bud light
15:51 <@chrism> (is that how that works?)
15:51 <@chrism> =P
15:51 <Randy> ew, who drinks that swill
15:51 <@chrism> oh hell not me, just referring to the old
commercials
15:51 <@chrism> lol
15:51 <@chrism> "I love ya man..." "You're not getting my bud
light"
15:51 <@chrism> <--drinks the beer he brews
15:51 <Randy> ahha
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17:03 <@chrism> oh fucking snap
17:03 <@chrism> burger success
17:04 <@chrism> did one of my 'bbq'd onions' for topping
17:04 <@chrism> and it's fucking delicious
17:12 <@chrism> so meat grinder protip, do not put hamburger
through twice, it just doesn't need it
17:13 <@chrism> once on the 'fine' grind is plenty
17:15 <sampson> I CANNOT FIND THE DAMN CRAFTING STATION IN
DA2
17:57 <sampson> it was in my house the entire time
17:57 <sampson> :|
18:08 <@chrism> da?
18:08 <@chrism> er da2?
18:11 <sampson> dragon age 2
18:11 <@chrism> aaah
18:11 <sampson> im like a boss in it
18:11 <sampson> i just go around and do some moves and people
explode
18:12 <@chrism> i should d/l that
18:13 <sampson> lol this group tried to ambush me and i took
like 8 out in one swing
18:16 <@chrism> haha nice
18:20 <VVelox> hmm...
18:21 <VVelox> I am have been wondering if some of the anti-X
fud that constantly finds it's way on to forums is actually pushed
by companies who have stake in X sucking.
18:21 <VVelox> Ironically either MS or Apple are not on that
list.
18:22 <VVelox> Largely various linux share holders.
18:22 <VVelox> not share holders, but people with stuff at
stake in that area
18:25 <@chrism> If you're referring to Xfree, then yes, it
does suck
18:25 <@chrism> it always has
18:25 <@chrism> a complete pile of shit code that kind of
gets the job done
18:26 <@chrism> that's the point behind the wayland
project
18:26 <VVelox> X?
18:27 <VVelox> That is a load of crap.
18:27 <@chrism> Not really, actually
18:27 <@chrism> but ymmv
18:27 <VVelox> Wayland is a very badly concieved project.
18:27 <VVelox> The big problem with X is Linux distros.
18:27 <VVelox> Most of them totally fuck it up when it comes
to packaging and configuration.
18:28 <@chrism> X isn't exactly nice to build from source and
config either
18:28 <VVelox> I've personally have never had a problem with
it.
18:28 <@chrism> in fact, it's a complete clustefuck to build
from source
18:28 <VVelox> chrism: That has not been true since it moved
to autoconf.
18:29 <@chrism> if you say so
18:29 <VVelox> imake was a bit of a mess
18:29 <VVelox> But it was a mess with a very useful purpose
that autoconf is in many ways far from a replacement for.
18:30 <VVelox> In regards to building it from source by hand,
there is no good reason to, unless you are on a very badly
maintained OS, such as CentOS etc that has chronically out of date
software.
18:30 <VVelox> Building it from source in regards to
something like FreeBSD is trivial.
18:30 <@chrism> That's not true at all.
18:30 <@chrism> It's a clusterfuck
18:31 <@chrism> FreeBSD sourcebuilds in and of themselves
have consistent problems
18:31 <@chrism> the utter lack of QA regarding freebsd
distributed software is painfully apparent
18:31 <VVelox> WTF?
18:31 <VVelox> cd /usr/ports/x11/xorg; make install
18:32 <@chrism> oh, no, I get how it's supposed to work
18:32 <@chrism> i've been a longtime BSD user, still am
18:32 <@chrism> FreeBSD R34 7.3-RELEASE-p2 FreeBSD
7.3-RELEASE-p2 #0: Mon Jul 12 19:04:04 UTC 2010
root@i386-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC
i386
18:32 <@chrism> heh
18:32 <@chrism> however
18:32 <VVelox> FreeBSD vixen42.vulpes.vvelox.net
8.2-PRERELEASE FreeBSD 8.2-PRERELEASE #0: Sun Feb 6 00:18:40 CST
2011 kitsune@vixen42.vulpes.vvelox.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/vixen42
amd64
18:32 <@chrism> ports is a clusterfuck
18:33 <@chrism> most of the time for one off, small item
builds, it's fine
18:33 <@chrism> try to do anything big and there's a strong
chance of fuckery
18:33 <VVelox> I honest suspect in this area, you are either
being intentionally clueless or really have no clue what your
doing.
18:33 <sampson> woot
18:34 <sampson> completed my pimp armor set
18:34 <sampson> GOT BEST SWORD & ARMOR IN GAME
18:34 <@chrism> Actually, a good portion of my job is mass
automation and qa'ing of software deployed on linux and bsd
18:34 <@chrism> so yes, i'm actually quite familiar with each
distro/os and their methodology
18:34 <sampson> doesn't excuse bsd from sucking dicks
profusely
18:35 <@chrism> exactly, there are problems
18:35 <@chrism> and until people fucking admit it, problems
will remain
18:35 <VVelox> Your trolling. You've not manage to name a
single issue.
18:35 <sampson> with bsd?
18:36 <sampson> their ports are restrictive and randomly
implode quite often
18:36 <sampson> we have a ftp backup box that's stuck on
5.whothefuck because any time you try to upgrade it ports implodes
so hard
18:36 <sampson> their reasoning for some of their choices in
portage is fucking stupid
18:36 <sampson> see: flash
18:37 <sampson> wifi drivers
18:37 <sampson> i get the idea of OPENNESS
18:37 <sampson> but don't not allow something that is proven
to work because you know you can do it better
18:37 <sampson> allow it and make your shit work
18:37 <VVelox> FreeBSD does just work.
18:37 <sampson> yeah until you need to use it
18:38 <sampson> then it implodes in a firey ragefit only
bested by a neckbeard
18:38 <VVelox> heh
18:38 <VVelox> Ignorant fucks.
18:39 <@chrism> I can name right now about 15 different ports
that go into dependancy hell
18:39 <@chrism> actually i'd need to vpn into my desk, but
yeah
18:39 <sampson> perhaps johns tempertantrum he just threw
over the phone would be equal
18:40 <@chrism> I mean call me an ignorant fuck if you want,
but my job consists of ensuring proper deployment of complex server
configurations on hundreds of
thousands of servers
18:40 <@chrism> so this is the shit I deal with... every
day
18:40 <VVelox> heh
18:40 <@chrism> What's your experience?
18:41 <@chrism> And I'm not bashing freebsd, just being
honest about it's downfalls
18:41 <VVelox> chrism: Dude. Your getting laughtable.
18:41 <@chrism> fuck i've submitted bug reports and
patches
18:41 <@chrism> what have you done?
18:42 <@chrism> I guarantee if you've ever hosted a website
with a hosting company, you've used software I've helped
develop
18:42 <@chrism> and once again, I go back to... what have you
done?
18:43 <sampson> i installed freebsd on my desktop
FUCKYAAAAAA
18:46 <sampson> yay im done with work for the day
18:46 <sampson> bai
18:46 <@chrism> nice!
18:46 <@chrism> PZ
18:47 <@chrism> VVelox: nothing personal man, but before you
go calling people you don't know on IRC "Ignorant Fucks" and
dropping your e-dick on the table, you might learn a bit more about
who you're talking to
18:50 <VVelox> heh
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