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#Chicago on Tuesday, March 29, 2011

Reminder: CAPSLOCK WEDNESDAY

Links mentioned today:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tw7CKnfk4JY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wr2A0NXMxP0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kk9oa_PiXAk
http://lifehacker.com/#!5786538/trim-enabler-increases-solid-state-drive-performance-in-os-x
http://i.imgur.com/SOYHh.png
http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2009/05/why-isnt-my-encryption-encrypting.html
http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20110327185437805
http://i.imgur.com/FyFcJ.jpg
http://cloudgirlfriend.com/
http://www.techtalk.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/an-hosting-midphase.png
http://www.techtalk.net/2007/bad-wordpress-host-recommendation/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Link_aggregation#Aggregation_Modes_in_Linux_.28Bonding_Modes.29_.5B6.5D
http://loyalkng.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/lego-bondage-lul.jpg
http://www.grimdawn.com/media_videos.php
http://laughingsquid.com/teaching-quadrocopters-to-juggle-balls/
http://laughingsquid.com/teaching-quadrocopters-to-juggle-balls
http://tinyurl.com/478ssnq
http://ti.me/iiM9rm
http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/gdzfi/iam_christopher_poole_aka_moot_founder_of_4chan/
http://seattlefoodgeek.com/2010/02/diy-sous-vide-heating-immersion-circulator-for-about-75/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQECrcZs6Wc&feature=player_embedded#at=54
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4wCzViGQ4o
http://enfigcarstereo.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/VW_AUX_DMX_V5.html
http://imgur.com/yvs0V
http://theoatmeal.com/comics/sriracha
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9577239/cat-doctor-walks-off-ml.jpg
http://www.theplanet.com


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02:30 <VVelox> re
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07:48 <Volatile> morning
07:52 <mrtyfrdm> ditto
07:55 <Volatile> back to the future the game part 3 is out
07:55 <Volatile> took them 29 days longer than expected to get it out the door
07:55 <Volatile> heh
07:55 <Volatile> guess the episodic release schedule is a little more hectic than they expected
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08:30 <SidWork1> Good Morning Peeps
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08:50 <tronyx> morning
08:57 <S|D> morning
09:06 <tronyx> not feeling it today
09:06 <mrtyfrdm> im not feelin you
09:07 <tronyx> feel me boo
09:07 <tronyx> what hours you keeping over there mrtyfrdm?
09:07 <mrtyfrdm> 84
09:07 <tronyx> nice
09:08 <tronyx> you at the randolph office i take it?
09:08 <mrtyfrdm> yeha
09:24 <Volatile> dewp
09:24 <Volatile> hio
09:24 <Volatile> man.. i got my new order of creatine from bodybuilding.com, and the product is totally different
09:25 <Volatile> they switched it up, and labelled it the same thing
09:25 <Volatile> fuckers.
09:29 <mrtyfrdm> got my new dell laptop
09:29 <mrtyfrdm> dellbook
09:36 <S|D> cool..
09:36 <mrtyfrdm> totally i like my dell inspiron 15r notebook
09:40 <tronyx> sent from my dellbook
09:43 <mrtyfrdm> SANDY BRIDGEEEE
09:43 <Volatile> <-- sandy
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09:49 <Volatile> Charlie Sheen's ex-wife Denise Richards made allegations that he's an animal abuser and now dog advocate Linda Hogan has stepped forward challenging the former Two and a Half Men star to a battle with her in the octagon, RadarOnline.com is reporting.
09:49 <Volatile> hahah
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09:50 <mrtyfrdm> lol
09:51 <@scrim> ahaha
09:52 <@scrim> who's linda hogan? is she some relation to Hulk Hogan?
09:52 <Volatile> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tw7CKnfk4JY
09:52 <Volatile> fucking love these guys
09:55 <Volatile> the original btw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wr2A0NXMxP0
09:56 <Volatile> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kk9oa_PiXAk <-- better link
09:56 <Volatile> doesnt have tons of shit all over the screen
09:56 <Volatile> heh
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10:03 <@scrim> ahah what is this? mario bros GTA edition?
10:04 <Volatile> yah
10:04 <Volatile> dude
10:04 <Volatile> some guy made a full-length film with GTA
10:04 <Volatile> GTA4 rather
10:04 <@scrim> really? nice
10:04 <Volatile> it's actually pretty good
10:04 <@scrim> how do they do that?
10:04 <Volatile> about a serial killer
10:04 <@scrim> game is fully scriptable?
10:04 <Volatile> GTA4 PC has a movie maker
10:05 <Volatile> you can script actions with models, cars, etc
10:05 <Volatile> and set camera movements
10:05 <Volatile> when they were making the game, they had to make advertisements.. they left that stuff in the engine for people to use
10:05 <Volatile> heh
10:05 <Volatile> GTA5 in like a year
10:05 <Volatile> !
10:06 <@scrim> ahh ok
10:06 <@scrim> and they don't like sue people who do it and put it on youtube?
10:06 <Volatile> no
10:06 <Volatile> they encourage it
10:06 <Volatile> the only thing rockstar enforces is that you don't leak the story portion of the original game
10:06 <Volatile> you wont find any GTA4 walkthroughs on Youtube
10:06 <Volatile> that contain the story elements
10:07 <Volatile> cutscenes n such
10:07 <Volatile> everything else, they give fair use to
10:07 <Volatile> they're pretty good about that stuff
10:07 <Volatile> adds longevity to the game
10:08 <Volatile> they didn't sue anyone who made gta3 multiplayer
10:08 <Volatile> fully reverse-engineered engine
10:08 <Volatile> heh
10:10 <@scrim> nice
10:10 <Volatile> lawl.. reminds me of scoff coming over and playing gta3 all day
10:11 <Volatile> meetung!
10:26 <scofflaw> sampson http://lifehacker.com/#!5786538/trim-enabler-increases-solid-state-drive-performance-in-os-x
10:27 <sampson> yeah old
10:27 <sampson> i told you yesterday
10:27 <sampson> but youw ere all ooo im scofflaw
10:27 <sampson> i dont irc on mondays
10:35 <Volatile> loo
10:36 <Volatile> he doesn't just scoff at the law, he scoffs at the roman calendar week
10:50 <tronyx> hack the planet guys
10:51 <sampson> hey tronyx
10:51 <sampson> don't be a drag just be a queen
10:51 <sampson> k?
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10:53 <scofflaw> sampson sorry i was not on irc yesterday
10:54 <sampson> damn straight you are
10:56 <Volatile> loo
10:58 <tronyx> sam
10:58 <tronyx> i can't think of anything funny to say =/
10:58 <tronyx> love you
11:02 <sampson> <3
11:03 <@chrism> awwww
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11:03 <sampson> A TROLL APPROACHES
11:03 <@chrism> I thought we banned ron?
11:03 <sampson> i sold my 3ds this morning lol
11:03 <sampson> i meant you
11:03 <@scrim> ahah
11:03 <@chrism> hahah you already sold it?
11:03 <@chrism> that was what, 24 hours?
11:03 <@scrim> good move, sell it before people realize it sucks ;)
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11:06 <sampson> 48
11:06 <sampson> well it sucks balls at playing ds games
11:07 <sampson> and that's mostly what i'd use it for since i can steal ds games
11:07 <sampson> so "fuck it" as they say
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11:09 <sampson> holy fuck do i need to choke 8 bitches
11:09 <sampson> this is teh 3rd time in less than a week some fuckwad had our vpn rebooted
11:09 <sampson> because OMG I COULDN'T LOGIN
11:09 <sampson> i'm on the vpn - obviously it works
11:10 <@chrism> lolol windows vpsn
11:10 <@chrism> er vpn
11:10 <@chrism> =P
11:10 <@chrism> so does rebooting it fix it?
11:11 <sampson> well yes, it does
11:12 <sampson> but if there's 1 person on it and it is functional
11:12 <sampson> it doesn't need a reboot
11:12 <sampson> the problem is on your end
11:12 <@chrism> well, a server should never be rebooted because of $service_not_working
11:12 <@chrism> unless it's fucking windows
11:12 <@chrism> lol
11:12 <sampson> and it is windows
11:12 <@chrism> (probably not then if you know what you're doing)
11:12 <sampson> it's an old p4 shit box that overheats on a weekly basis
11:12 <sampson> and... effort
11:12 <@chrism> however, it *is* possible for an authenticator to break, but leaving stateful sessions in place
11:13 <@chrism> which sounds like what's happening
11:13 <sampson> nah it overheats
11:13 <sampson> the problem is the people aren't even bothering to ping the vpn
11:13 <sampson> you can always tell when it's down
11:13 <@chrism> but if it's down, how is it routing your traffic?
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11:13 <sampson> EXACTLY
11:13 <@chrism> like I said
11:13 <@chrism> however, it *is* possible for an authenticator to break, but leaving stateful sessions in place
11:14 <sampson> meh, fuck it
11:14 <@chrism> so yeah it sounds like whatevers doing your auth is hankey
11:14 <sampson> if it gets rebooted again this week i'm blowing my brains out
11:14 <@chrism> hahah
11:14 <@chrism> FUCK THIS WORLD
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11:14 <@chrism> BYE VOL HI VOL
11:14 <Volatile> IS CAPSLOCK WEDNESDAY TOMORROW?
11:14 <sampson> dude you know how big of a pita it is to relogin to almost 100 ssh sessions?
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11:14 <@chrism> if you have 100 ssh sessions, you're doing it wrong
11:15 <Volatile> YOUR DOING IT RONG
11:15 <sampson> when you're dealing with clusters of 30+ servers
11:15 <@chrism> what's screen precious?
11:15 <sampson> using a single one to hop around a fuckton of servers is annoying as fuck
11:15 <sampson> and so is screen
11:15 <sampson> especially when i'm trying to monitor a whole portion
11:15 <Volatile> why dont you hire a cluster of 30 people to maintain the cluster?
11:15 <@chrism> lol
11:15 <@chrism> and there's no way you can actually *USE* 100 ssh sessions
11:15 <sampson> it'd be like that story by assimov of the robot with the fingers
11:15 <@chrism> you can use like 4 at once
11:15 <@chrism> lol
11:15 <@chrism> maybe
11:16 <@chrism> if you're dade fucking murphy
11:16 <sampson> ok 100 was excessive
11:16 <Volatile> one of my customers has allocated 3 people for this tiny project, *not* including me, the person who is implementing everything
11:16 <sampson> but i have ~20 going at the moment
11:16 <Volatile> it's like a $500 project
11:16 <sampson> and i need each one up
11:16 <Volatile> and we've had at least three conference calls
11:16 <Volatile> why do small companies try to act like big corporate machines
11:16 <Volatile> wtf.
11:16 <Volatile> they've spent more on conference calls than the project will cost.
11:16 <@chrism> http://i.imgur.com/SOYHh.png
11:16 <@chrism> lol
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11:17 <@chrism> I THEREFORE PRONOUNCE YOU A COWARD AND A SCOUNDREL
11:17 <Volatile> heh
11:17 <Volatile> I have successfully created my own encryption protocol for encrypting my hash to sign encryption algorithms.
11:17 <sampson> gonna be like that one douche who "wrote" his own encryption engine
11:17 <sampson> eh?
11:17 <Volatile> no. i *am* that douche.
11:17 <sampson> the guy that made stack overflow
11:18 <sampson> i think his site is coding horrors?
11:18 <Volatile> sam
11:18 <Volatile> you're out of the loop, brah
11:18 <Volatile> sry
11:18 <sampson> ya coding horror
11:18 <Volatile> negative.
11:18 <sampson> nhah lemme find the blog post
11:18 <sampson> this guy was like ENCRYPTION IS HARD
11:18 <sampson> SO I WROTE MY OWN
11:18 <sampson> and then everyone was like holy cow, you're retarded and did it completely wrong
11:19 <Volatile> ?
11:19 <Volatile> this is from yesterday, brah
11:19 <Volatile> I already created my own encryption protocol, from asymmetric algorithm (for key exchange) to symmetric algorithm for encrypting data to my own hash algorithm to sign encrypted algorithms. You are so far from knowing about me...
11:19 <Volatile> like i said, you're out of the loop!
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11:20 <Volatile> eggdrop.log.13Oct2010:[10:35] <Volatile> tell him you developed a secret base65 algorithm
11:20 <Volatile> heh
11:20 <S|D> lol
11:20 <sampson> http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2009/05/why-isnt-my-encryption-encrypting.html
11:20 <S|D> 3ll3t hax0r
11:21 <sampson> spend your lunch readeing that vol
11:21 <sampson> you'll get a chuckle
11:21 <sampson> jeff atwood is a hackjob
11:21 <Volatile> eggdrop.log.13Oct2010:[10:40] <Volatile> rot26 has twice as many rounds, but rot13's bit shifting is far more efficient
11:21 <Volatile> eggdrop.log.21Oct2010:[07:52] <Volatile> sometimes i do two rounds of rot26 too
11:21 <Volatile> i bet tronyx is the only one who gets the joek in the second line
11:21 <Volatile> ;P
11:22 <Volatile> if he doesn't, he's fired.
11:22 <sampson> i get it
11:22 <sampson> just wasn't v funny
11:22 <sampson> bit shifting owns bro
11:22 <Volatile> no
11:22 <Volatile> you don't get it.
11:22 <sampson> yes, i get it
11:22 <Volatile> plz explain
11:22 <sampson> because it wouldn't be encrypted
11:22 <sampson> because it shifts back to the original position
11:22 <Volatile> it's not bit shifting tho
11:22 <Volatile> :\
11:23 <sampson> whatever, i don't know the terminology of encryption
11:23 <sampson> but i get the joke
11:23 <Volatile> rot13 isn't encryption
11:23 <Volatile> SUP
11:23 <sampson> k
11:23 <Volatile> imma just keep throwin' shit at you and see how you handle it
11:23 <Volatile> you game, brah?
11:23 <Volatile> COME AT ME
11:23 <Volatile> heh
11:23 <sampson> anywho, quit tuggin your penis and read that blog post
11:23 <sampson> comments are best
11:24 <Volatile> wait
11:24 <Volatile> sam
11:24 <Volatile> before i get too far into this
11:24 <Volatile> is this a serious document about a guy trying to figure out why his encryption isnt encrypting?
11:24 <Volatile> i dont have the backstory
11:24 <sampson> yes
11:24 <sampson> this guy is regarded in the community as some expert coder
11:24 <sampson> and posts random shit like this all the time
11:24 <sampson> where he completely implements something 100% wrong
11:24 <Volatile> okay. so this is supposed to be a legit crypto document?
11:25 <Volatile> k
11:25 <sampson> and then is like LOOK: I'M JEFF ATWOOD
11:25 <sampson> yes he is 100% serious
11:25 <S|D> Jeff Atwood sounds like a comedian
11:25 <S|D> not a hax0r
11:25 <sampson> he's a fucking troll .net programmer
11:25 <S|D> .net? Ugh!
11:25 <sampson> he made stack0verflow
11:26 <S|D> which is not that difficult to do on a windows machine
11:27 <sampson> Sorry to say this Jeff, but if you don't know what ECB is, and if you use 3DES in new code, then you don't have a reasonable grasp of encryption concepts.
11:27 <sampson> This is literally first-week material in any Cryptography course.
11:27 <sampson> You have no idea what you're talking about, do you, Jeff.
11:27 <sampson> Yet again, Jeff Atwood demonstrates how incredibly ill-informed he is. First it's NP-completeness, then it's using a English dictionary word as a password, now it's using 3DES in ECB mode. This guy is a clown.
11:27 <sampson> shit's fucking comedy gold
11:28 <Volatile> k
11:29 <Volatile> yeah
11:29 <Volatile> he's a retard.
11:29 <Volatile> i didn't need to look over his encryption function to determine that
11:29 <Volatile> *anyone* who implements their own encryption, is a retard.
11:29 <Volatile> unless that's what they do i mean
11:29 <Volatile> heh
11:30 <Volatile> it's like if someone tells you they know when the end of the world is. you know everything they say AFTER that, is also complete bullshit.
11:30 <sampson> no dude, the encryption function is WRONG
11:31 <Volatile> yes, im aware
11:32 <Volatile> aside from the fact that his encryption function reinitializes each call, he's an idiot for trying to implement an encryption function
11:33 <Volatile> if bruce schneier tells me he wrote a document on a quick little encryption algorithm he wrote, i'll look over it
11:33 <Volatile> just about anyone else, will be immediately thought to be an idiot
11:33 <Volatile> heh
11:33 <Volatile> (cuz i dont know many crypto guys)
11:34 <sampson> i like reading documents by the console hackers when they write them and don't flaunt their penis
11:34 <sampson> fail0verflow had some good shit
11:35 <Volatile> well.. it's a lot easier to fuck with a well-known encyption system, than to develop your own new one
11:35 <Volatile> pretty much everyone who does something with IT knows the basics of a key ring
11:36 <Volatile> developing a new key ring system would be dangerous.. developing an entirely new encryption method, is just idiotic
11:36 <Volatile> i bet the first chapter in applied cryptography is "dont invent your own encryption system"
11:36 <Volatile> hehe
11:37 <sampson> oo new groklaw on geohotz these are good
11:37 <sampson> http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20110327185437805
11:42 <Volatile> loo
11:42 <Volatile> legal wrangling is funny
11:45 <Volatile> 3. Prior to January 11, 2011, I had no knowledge of the location of SCEA's state of organization, the location of its headquarters, or the location of its principal place of business. In short, I had never heard of SCEA until they sued me.
11:45 <Volatile> lawl
11:45 <Volatile> what a liar.
11:45 <Volatile> right there his motion is bullshit
11:46 <@chrism> I dunno tbh I'd never heard of SCEA before
11:46 <Volatile> anyone who has ever used a PS1, PS2, or PS3, knows who SCEA is
11:46 <@chrism> I don't
11:46 <@chrism> =\
11:46 <Volatile> wtf?
11:46 <Volatile> their logo is over half of the games at start-up
11:46 <@chrism> which get ignored while I load a bowl/grab a beer
11:46 <@chrism> =P
11:46 <Volatile> this guy spent a year hacking on the PS3
11:46 <Volatile> he knows who SCEA is
11:48 <Volatile> hah
11:48 <Volatile> the entire motion to dismiss is based on the fact he doesnt know who SCEA is
11:48 <Volatile> hilario.
11:48 <@chrism> well that and it's dubious whether or not he actually did agree to the TOS
11:49 <@chrism> apparently they can't actually *prove* he's the one that signed up that PSN acct
11:49 <Volatile> yeah
11:49 <Volatile> but that doesn't matter in DMCA
11:49 <@chrism> To a degree it does
11:49 <Volatile> by using IP, you must abide by the DMCA
11:49 <Volatile> that's why the DMCA is lame.
11:49 <@chrism> that's fairly shaky ground legally, like the paperwork implies that, but true court tests of it are few and far between
11:49 <@chrism> at least when it comes to hardware reversing
11:50 <Volatile> lawl.. he claims he did a direct download of the PS3 firmware
11:50 <Volatile> rather than the auto update
11:50 <Volatile> haha
11:50 <@chrism> he might have, it's fairly common to do that
11:50 <@chrism> very very easy to grab
11:50 <Volatile> you turn on your PS3, and reject the auto update in favor of grabbing a USB stick?
11:50 <@chrism> if you're intentionally skirting agreeing to a TOS, yes
11:51 <Volatile> the TOS is required at first boot brah
11:51 <@chrism> hrm, I don't know if it is
11:51 <Volatile> the TOS does not mention SCEA tho
11:51 <@chrism> I don't think so
11:51 <@chrism> I'm pretty sure you unpackage, fire up and get the XMB right off
11:51 <Volatile> his whole case is now about showing that SCEA can't sue him
11:51 <@chrism> well partially
11:51 <Volatile> cuz his damages are all towards Sony Japan
11:51 <@chrism> that and what venue it'd happen in
11:51 <sampson> vol the firmware updates are with SCEJ not SCEA
11:51 <@chrism> (shoudl it happen)
11:52 <sampson> all SCEA holds are licensing for american games and psn
11:52 <Volatile> *shrug*
11:52 <Volatile> i think it'd be funny for him to get sued
11:52 <Volatile> don't really care if he wins or loses the case.
11:52 <@chrism> I think i want to see him get sued
11:52 <@chrism> and win
11:52 <sampson> but this isn't really to get the motion thrown out
11:52 <sampson> it's to get the case moved to NJ
11:52 <@chrism> that'll do some damage to the DMCA like woah
11:52 <sampson> because he's dead in cali
11:52 <Volatile> either side wins, is funny
11:53 <sampson> it's all saying there's no proof that it should be tried in cali
11:53 <Volatile> loudmouth 21 year old still living with mommy and daddy, or large mega corporation, sticking it to the little guy
11:53 <@chrism> as someone who enjoys fucking w/ hardware, I want to see him win =P
11:53 <sampson> because everything geohot has done has no ties to scea
11:55 <@chrism> and ubersmith license sold!
11:55 <@chrism> WOOT
11:55 <@chrism> done/done
11:55 <@chrism> money has been transferred license reassigned
11:55 <@chrism> etc
11:55 <sampson> http://i.imgur.com/FyFcJ.jpg
11:55 <sampson> lol
11:55 <@chrism> U-verse tv cancelled
11:55 <tronyx> old
11:55 <@chrism> tmob bill cut in half
11:55 <@chrism> yay
11:56 <@chrism> I've freed up like 2-300 bucks of income in the past week
11:56 <@chrism> and that's fucking awesome++++++
11:56 <@chrism> like monthly income tha tis
12:00 <sampson> that means you could buy a 3ds now
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12:01 <Volatile> dewp
12:01 <tronyx> what is going on in here?
12:02 <Volatile> i'm 12
12:02 <Volatile> ..12 minutes over-due for a beer
12:05 <Volatile> someone should really add zmodem to torrents
12:05 <Volatile> !
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12:07 <@scrim> ahha
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12:26 <m1k[3y]--> The management of the place I work at makes midphase look like IBM
12:26 <@chrism> hahah
12:26 <@chrism> that... is fucking scary
12:27 <m1k[3y]--> yeah, have i ever told you how fucked up things are around here?
12:31 <m1k[3y]--> First off, they decided to go with drupal for our web app and hired this group treehouse to come in here and develop the thing. About half way though either out of not paying them or their complete incompetence, we got rid of treehouse and hired 3 developers. The problem was treehouse hacked the drupal core for whatever functionally was in the specs making this whole project a compete shitshow to begin with
12:31 <tronyx> lol
12:31 <m1k[3y]--> then management decided to hire this CTO who i will kindly refer to as diamond d
12:31 <m1k[3y]--> this guy is a complete d-bag
12:32 <m1k[3y]--> he does not know shit either...he hustled his way in here
12:32 <m1k[3y]--> came in here with some big impressive 5 page resume
12:32 <tronyx> i bet he has an MBA though
12:32 <m1k[3y]--> used a bunch of buzz words
12:32 <tronyx> you gonna circle back with him on those matters, drill down some answers and take it offline?
12:32 <tronyx> ping him when you're ready perhaps?????
12:32 <m1k[3y]--> diamond d is like the guy who goes to your grandmothers house and swindles her house from her
12:33 <tronyx> the worst
12:34 <m1k[3y]--> he conned the management into hiring him..he seriously does not know shit about technology. at all.
12:34 <m1k[3y]--> then
12:34 <m1k[3y]--> he hires all these new people
12:34 <sampson> -bash: /bin/rm: Argument list too long
12:34 <sampson> ;_;
12:34 <m1k[3y]--> all managers
12:35 <m1k[3y]--> a QA manager, 2 project managers, 1 dev manager (who does no coding)
12:35 <m1k[3y]--> and exactly 0 programmers
12:35 <m1k[3y]--> and 0 sys admins
12:35 <m1k[3y]--> i work for the fucking circus
12:37 <chrispi> m1k[3y]--: time to burn down the building
12:37 <m1k[3y]--> srsly
12:37 <chrispi> ARSENIC IN THE WATER
12:38 <m1k[3y]--> the good thing is i think london is going to buy us
12:38 <m1k[3y]--> and when they do
12:38 <m1k[3y]--> the first person to get the boot will be diamond mother fucking d
12:38 <SQL> cherio
12:42 <n|cotine> http://cloudgirlfriend.com/
12:42 <n|cotine> PUSH HER TO THE CLOUD
12:43 ..: kubi [U2FsdGVkX1@midgets.with.pogosticks.arefor.us] has joined #chicago
12:45 <sampson> old
12:45 <@chrism> oh wow
12:45 <@chrism> really?
12:45 <@chrism> :foreveralone:
12:45 <sampson> btw, this was on my birthday and my mom may have been drunk, but she wants to make you cookies for getting me this job
12:45 <sampson> HEH
12:46 <Volatile> sam, lawl
12:46 <sampson> moms love me
12:46 <Volatile> sam, for i in *; do rm -f $i; done
12:46 <Volatile> or, cd ..;rm -rf dir
12:46 <Volatile> or perl it!
12:46 <Volatile> opendir(lawl, "dir"); @loo = readdir(lawl); unlink(@loo);
12:47 <sampson> who the fuck makes a wordpress blog ssl
12:47 <sampson> fuckin seriously
12:47 <@chrism> why not?
12:47 <sampson> it's god damn stupid
12:47 <@chrism> why?
12:48 <@chrism> There's logins/passwords being transmitted
12:48 <sampson> why do downtime notices need to be secured
12:48 <sampson> it's not like they can login and comment
12:48 <@chrism> someone logs in to post
12:48 <@chrism> besides, there's no reason not to really :shrug:
12:48 <@chrism> now granted, that doesn't mean there's a compelling reason TO encrypt it either
12:48 <@chrism> hehe
13:02 <Volatile> SSL HAS MASSIVE OVERHEAD
13:02 <Volatile> AND IT REQUIRES NETSCAPE 2.0+
13:03 <@chrism> hahah
13:03 <@chrism> oh yeah that too
13:04 <sampson> when you have sites that get 20k hits per second
13:04 <sampson> yes, ssl has overhead
13:04 <sampson> but keep talking
13:04 <Volatile> sam
13:04 <Volatile> joek above u
13:04 <sampson> i love when we flaunt our know it all penises
13:04 * sampson flops on table
13:05 <Volatile> plz do re-read <Volatile> AND IT REQUIRES NETSCAPE 2.0+
13:05 <Volatile> twas joek
13:05 <m1k[3y]--> netscape 2.0
13:05 <sampson> NO ROOM FOR JOKES SIR
13:05 <m1k[3y]--> advanced shit right there
13:06 <Volatile> Netscape version 2.0 introduced a bevy of must-have breakthrough features (frames, Java, Javascript and Plug-ins)
13:06 <Volatile> it also introduced the animated progress icon
13:06 <Volatile> how i miss you glowing "N"
13:06 <@chrism> sam: how much overhead?
13:07 <@chrism> in all seriousness, that was the topic of a drunken night of conversation between me and anthony awhile back
13:07 <Volatile> nutscrape navigator
13:07 <@chrism> lol
13:07 <@chrism> "how much greener would the world be w/o encryption"
13:07 <@chrism> it was interesting to say the least
13:07 <@chrism> lol
13:08 <Volatile> getting our pallet of 2U rackmounts todayu
13:08 <Volatile> heh
13:08 <Volatile> that'll be fun to carry in
13:10 <Volatile> im gunna build a huge erlang cluster
13:10 <Volatile> so many cores!
13:10 <Volatile> imma crack the fibonaci sequence.
13:11 <Volatile> fibanacci too
13:11 <Volatile> i bet the fibanacci sequence terminates with a modulus 42
13:14 <mrtyfrdm> so my new Dell Inspiron 15r Notebook has a monitor power button on it
13:14 <mrtyfrdm> leet
13:14 <m1k[3y]--> advanced shit right there
13:14 <m1k[3y]--> does it come preloaded with netscape2.0?
13:14 <m1k[3y]--> :)
13:14 <mrtyfrdm> i have no idea i didn't even boot into the factory os
13:15 <Volatile> heh
13:15 <Volatile> if you need a netscape 2.0 serial, let me know.
13:15 <m1k[3y]--> oh yeah, you had to pay for it
13:15 <m1k[3y]--> forgot about that
13:15 <Volatile> haha
13:24 <sampson> http://www.techtalk.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/an-hosting-midphase.png
13:24 <sampson> HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
13:24 <sampson> chrispi: chrism m1k[3y]--
13:25 <jeffm> lol
13:25 <m1k[3y]--> hahhaha
13:25 <m1k[3y]--> that about sums up the MP
13:25 <jeffm> tru facts
13:26 <m1k[3y]--> heh...TIL they renamed 10tb.com to 100tb.com
13:26 <sampson> http://www.techtalk.net/2007/bad-wordpress-host-recommendation/
13:26 <sampson> jeffm: you do sales for uk2 now don't you?
13:26 <sampson> or somethinlikethat
13:27 <jeffm> nah, i keep my hands off of that..
13:27 <jeffm> i dont do sales either, just a book keeper for the dedicated servers
13:29 <chrispi> sampson: HAHAHA
13:39 <@chrism> oh that's really really really old
13:39 <@chrism> the wordpress host recommendation thing
13:39 <@chrism> that was back pre-me when UA was in the mix
13:40 <@chrism> also it's funny because WP was a big affiliate of mP during that time, up until like 2008 when nelson trashed the affiliate program by never calling the dude back
13:40 <@chrism> or maybe that was wolf, I forget
13:40 <m1k[3y]--> ha
13:41 <@chrism> we lost a shitload of affiliates between those two
13:41 <jeffm> nice..
13:41 <@chrism> MAKING FUNNY STAR WARS PICTURES == trashed affiliate revenue
13:42 <@chrism> and nelson spent more time talking about how awesome he was rather than doing work
13:42 <m1k[3y]--> are affiliates still big in the web hosting business?
13:42 <@chrism> heh
13:42 <@chrism> yeah they drive it like woah
13:42 <m1k[3y]--> are there still a lot around though?
13:43 <@chrism> hosts or affiliates?
13:43 <@chrism> both, yes
13:43 <m1k[3y]--> affiliates
13:43 <@chrism> the problem is that you're seeing massive consolidation of the hosts, so affiliate payouts are skyrocketing
13:43 <@chrism> last I heard they were going like 3 years out on a payout
13:43 <@chrism> which is just goofy
13:43 <m1k[3y]--> yeah
13:43 <m1k[3y]--> what about resellers?
13:43 <m1k[3y]--> those still big in the game?
13:44 <m1k[3y]--> i guess they are about the same
13:45 <sampson> we got resellers
13:45 <m1k[3y]--> we used to have a few at datapipe
13:45 <sampson> works out swimmingly
13:45 <m1k[3y]--> but they got priced out
13:45 <Mr_Roboto> Chrism:UK2/Endurance Intl.
13:45 <@chrism> is that EIG?
13:45 <Mr_Roboto> yeah
13:45 <Mr_Roboto> them
13:45 <@chrism> and UK2 I dont' know that I'd call them a big player anymore tbh
13:45 <tronyx> what's the awk syntaxt to print every field other than $#
13:46 <Mr_Roboto> I meant them as separate entities but I dunno man
13:46 <@chrism> every acquisition they've done, they've trashed recurrings like woah
13:46 <m1k[3y]--> when datapipe switched their business model to providing fully managed services
13:46 <sampson> awk {'print$1,$3'}
13:46 <Mr_Roboto> when your company makes billions talk to me.
13:46 <Mr_Roboto> :D
13:47 <Mr_Roboto> that being said Softlayer was hitting rough times from my understanding and Westhost had that whole debacle at the one DC with the fire suppressant a while back
13:47 <Mr_Roboto> Softlayer did buy the planet though
13:47 <chrispi> i still LOL about that
13:47 <Mr_Roboto> from what I'd heard
13:47 <@chrism> softlayer did not
13:47 <chrispi> the westhost thing
13:47 <@chrism> their holding group did
13:47 <@chrism> these are not the same thing =P
13:47 <Mr_Roboto> go to www.theplanet.com and see what comes up
13:47 <@chrism> right
13:47 <@chrism> their holding group / VC firm bought them
13:47 <jeffm> well the TP people are in the same building with softlayer
13:47 <@chrism> not softlayer
13:48 <@chrism> softlayer sold their shit because they were in deep trouble
13:48 <Mr_Roboto> I thought TP was in deep shit
13:48 <sampson> the ceo of SL is a douche
13:48 <@chrism> yeah and the planets building down here (i drive by it from time to time) has a big softlayer logo on it
13:48 <sampson> i met him at cpanel con
13:48 <Mr_Roboto> sampson:never knew
13:48 <sampson> he's all MWAMWA WE'RE SO SUCCESSFUL
13:48 <sampson> oh yes that's why you're on the verge of filing for bankruptcy
13:48 <sampson> "MOM AND POP SHOPS THIS"
13:49 <sampson> hard to hold my tongue with 80000 shots of rumplemintz in me
13:49 <sampson> he's also fat as fuck
13:49 <Mr_Roboto> hehehe you mean resist the urge to say the phrase "run the company into the ground"
13:49 <sampson> i just don't understand CEOs that pretend they're god's gift to earth when their company is tanking
13:50 <sampson> it's like they're oblivious outside of their ivory palace
13:50 <Mr_Roboto> they don't see the writing on the wall
13:50 <Mr_Roboto> either the comapny will eat its self of they willl get kicked out
13:51 <@chrism> well, no i get it
13:51 <@chrism> and fully understand it
13:52 <@chrism> when a company is tanking the CEO relies on the folks under him to give him a clear picture of what's what
13:52 <@chrism> however when their job is on th eline people thend to BS
13:52 <@chrism> I saw it daily when I was in london, stateside was sending D pure bullshit
13:52 <@chrism> and I'd be like "Dude, that's not true, here look"
13:52 <@chrism> and then he'd go off
13:52 <@chrism> that happened quite a bit
13:53 <@chrism> for awhile there D would be like "Hey, what do you know about $this" and I'd login to stuff, check it out and give him a report which fully conflicted with what came from the states
13:53 <@chrism> and then he'd chew massive amounts of ass
13:53 <@chrism> but anyway, yeah, you can only make decisions as good as the information you have at hand... and if folks are lying to cover their ass, shit spirals out of control pretty fast
13:54 <sampson> true
13:54 <Mr_Roboto> yeah that's the truth. the problem is that FAR too many people are out there just to get a check and not get shit done
13:54 <@chrism> yep
13:54 <@chrism> agreed
13:54 <Mr_Roboto> they'd rather cover their asses when shit hits than try to fix problems
13:54 <@chrism> it's truly hard for a CEO that has the best of intentions to find people that aren't snakes
13:54 <@chrism> like D, I have serious respect for that dude
13:54 <@chrism> except for his choices in managerial staff
13:55 <@chrism> although I think he's fixed that now (mostly)
13:55 <Mr_Roboto> but a lot of that happens from the top down too though.
13:55 <Mr_Roboto> My wife works retail Chrism, you know the first thing she does when she gets a new store?
13:55 <sampson> buys shit?
13:55 <@chrism> lol
13:55 <Mr_Roboto> ROFL
13:55 <Mr_Roboto> well ok then second
13:56 <Mr_Roboto> she runs off or fires 95% of the staff because she got the store for bad reasons in the first place
13:56 <sampson> that's typical
13:56 <sampson> most people aquire companies/stores for the IP and maybe a choice few staff and fire the rest
13:56 <sampson> i.e touch support
13:56 <sampson> the planet aquired it, took the best admins, fired the owners and then sold the company off
13:56 <Mr_Roboto> yeah her original assistant manager and full time key had a rack that was "theirs" along with the assistant manager's mom. They'd just come in and pull off what they wanted
13:56 <@chrism> ya know, I think it's deeper than that
13:57 <@chrism> i don't think that a company pays a 7 figure pricetag with the intention of gutting an operation
13:57 <@chrism> ever
13:57 <sampson> true
13:57 <@chrism> I think they take it over and don't understand how it works
13:57 <@chrism> and try to force big_company_rules on tiny company
13:57 <@chrism> and shit implodes
13:57 <Mr_Roboto> chrism:back to the level of bullshit though do you think that most people understand what they are really buying?
13:57 <@chrism> then they're forced to do that shit
13:57 <@chrism> Mr_Roboto: it depends on the company. Some have awesome records of performing proper due dilligence
13:57 <@chrism> others, do not
13:58 <@chrism> UK2 is bad about performing proper due diligence
13:58 <Mr_Roboto> hey that's their problem now isn't it :D
13:58 <@chrism> well just saying, some are better than others about it
13:58 <@chrism> and once again, this may have changed
13:59 <Mr_Roboto> "the usual disclaimers apply"
14:00 <@chrism> nah i only say that because as I mentioned, I do actually respect D
14:00 <Mr_Roboto> hey btw sampson you msged me yesterday asking hours.
14:00 <@chrism> smart mofo
14:00 <sampson> no i didn't
14:01 <sampson> or maybe i did
14:01 <Mr_Roboto> hrrm who the fuck was that then
14:01 <sampson> idk
14:01 <sampson> no i didn't according to adium
14:01 <Mr_Roboto> I swear it was you
14:01 <sampson> i was wondering wtf you were saying
14:01 <Mr_Roboto> that's why I texted you. sorry about that
14:01 <Mr_Roboto> maybe I am to the point of hallucinations
14:01 <sampson> nbd
14:01 <Mr_Roboto> :D
14:01 <chrispi> gah, FUCK NIC teaming
14:02 <chrispi> imma strangle the sales rep that approved this shit
14:02 <Mr_Roboto> man I think it's going to be a busy one down to the finish
14:02 <Mr_Roboto> chrispi:Etherchannel? man up
14:02 <chrispi> lol
14:02 <chrispi> it's working, just annoyed that we're doing it
14:02 <chrispi> not even doing it in a cool way
14:02 <mrtyfrdm> chrispi: Mr_Roboto just told you to man up
14:02 <chrispi> just active-backup
14:03 <@chrism> LACP > CHRISPI
14:03 <chrispi> active-backup, no LACP
14:03 <chrispi> SO THERE
14:03 <Mr_Roboto> mrtyfrdm:woman up.
14:03 <Mr_Roboto> how's it feel to be back mang?
14:03 <@chrism> chrispi: that's a subset of LACP
14:03 <@chrism> SO THERE
14:03 <@chrism> =P
14:04 <chrispi> lol
14:04 <sampson> RIPE
14:04 <sampson> BOGOMIPS
14:04 <sampson> LDAP
14:04 <@chrism> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Link_aggregation#Aggregation_Modes_in_Linux_.28Bonding_Modes.29_.5B6.5D
14:04 <sampson> BNC
14:04 <@chrism> HAVE A SEAT SON
14:04 <chrispi> well, no switch config required at least
14:04 <Mr_Roboto> some acronyms here we don't even know what they mean
14:04 <@chrism> but <3's
14:04 <sampson> fuck if i know i'm throwing out acronyms trying to sound important
14:04 <chrispi> OH MAN, DROPPIN LINKS
14:04 <sampson> TRUNKING
14:04 <sampson> is it working yet
14:04 <chrispi> shit is ON now
14:04 <sampson> BONDING
14:05 <chrispi> sampson: lets bond
14:05 <sampson> SHOTGUN
14:05 <@chrism> lololo
14:05 <@chrism> X2
14:05 <Volatile> YOU ALL REALLY NEED TO GET YOUR CSMA/CD UNDER CONTROL
14:05 <Volatile> CSMA/CD IS SRS BSNS.
14:05 <Mr_Roboto> I bondaged the ethernet cables
14:05 <sampson> imma shotgun two 128k isdn lines on this box
14:05 <sampson> best be recognizing
14:05 * Mr_Roboto shotguns a redbull
14:06 <sampson> o now that i googled teaming
14:06 <sampson> you lame chrispi
14:06 <chrispi> lol
14:06 <sampson> i got 8x1gbit bonded to a device
14:06 <sampson> for MASSIVE THROUGHPUT
14:06 <chrispi> FINE
14:06 <chrispi> guess i'll vent my frustrations else where
14:06 <Mr_Roboto> http://loyalkng.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/lego-bondage-lul.jpg
14:06 <Mr_Roboto> lul
14:06 <sampson> port channel the trunking into a vlan with lcap and bond it for great bandiwdth
14:07 <sampson> or something
14:07 <chrispi> MOAR GBITS
14:07 <chrispi> MOAR
14:08 <chrispi> heh, i had a client today request that i install Splunk for him
14:08 <chrispi> took me 15min, charged for an hour
14:08 <chrispi> EAIT IT
14:08 <chrispi> *EAT
14:08 <@chrism> sampson: needs jumbo frames
14:08 <@chrism> lololol
14:08 <@chrism> god damn
14:09 <sampson> but my macbook doesn't support jumbo frames ;___;
14:09 <@chrism> i remember doing the LACP trunks + jumbo frames for the mP backup network on those dell switches... YAY CASCADING SWITCH REBOOTS
14:09 <chrispi> this guy has been putting in weirder and weirder requests lately
14:09 <chrispi> chrism: lol, i remember that shit
14:10 <chrispi> heh, i show people the pictures from that DC on the SH site
14:10 <chrispi> THIS IS HOW YOU CABLE, K
14:10 <@chrism> I hope they jerk off over the wiring
14:10 <@chrism> cause i spent a lot of fucking time on that
14:10 <@chrism> lol
14:10 <chrispi> especially the DC techs
14:10 <@chrism> that was a proper cable setup
14:10 <chrispi> yup
14:11 <chrispi> SH PEEPS: non-SH people are taking credit for your pretty, pretty cabs and wiring
14:11 <chrispi> HANDLE IT
14:11 <@scrim> be sure to set option 4 (803.3ad) in the linux kernel driver, then it will work right
14:11 <@scrim> the other ones suck it
14:11 <Mr_Roboto> chrism:you mean like how 206.16-28 WERENT cabled?
14:12 <Mr_Roboto> Hosttheweb's shit is way worse than those cabs ever were though.
14:12 <@scrim> ahaha
14:12 <@chrism> hrm I don't think 206 was there when I was
14:12 <chrispi> scrim: i've got it working, just irritated that i had to work on it
14:12 <@chrism> i dont' think i had anything to do with those
14:12 <Mr_Roboto> they have zip ties for cable management.
14:12 <@scrim> yeah
14:12 <chrispi> lol
14:12 <chrispi> CATERPILLAR TIES MAN
14:12 <@chrism> man
14:12 <Mr_Roboto> somewhere someone from Panduit is crying
14:12 <chrispi> THE WAVE OF THE FUTURE
14:12 <@chrism> fuck Louis for that shit
14:12 <Mr_Roboto> no shit
14:12 <@scrim> we gave them velcro, I don't know what they did with it :)
14:12 <chrispi> okay, i should know this
14:12 <chrispi> but Mr_Roboto
14:12 <chrispi> who are you?
14:12 <Mr_Roboto> that Velcro is gods gift to sanity
14:13 <Mr_Roboto> We've met IRL Chrispi
14:13 <Mr_Roboto> I'm Alex
14:13 <@chrism> i flipped my shit and pulled all his millities and replaced them for normal zip ties
14:13 <@chrism> "But we can't redo cabling!"
14:13 <chrispi> Mr_Roboto: AHhhhhhh
14:13 <@chrism> "YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO LEAVE IT THE FUCK ALONE"
14:13 <@chrism> <cable_sperge_fit>
14:13 <chrispi> lol
14:13 <Mr_Roboto> fuck zip ties too
14:13 <@chrism> we had a problem at the time with DC techs that would decide to rewire cabinets for no fucking reason
14:13 <Mr_Roboto> first thing that happens when I have to deal with a pizza box is cut as many of em out as I can
14:13 <Volatile> http://www.grimdawn.com/media_videos.php
14:14 <@chrism> the zip ties were intentionally there to keep people from fucking shit up
14:14 <Mr_Roboto> so that I can actually work on the system
14:14 <Mr_Roboto> could see that chrism.
14:14 <Volatile> heh
14:14 <Volatile> funny how it looks almost exactly like titan quest
14:14 <@chrism> "oh look you pulled all the wire wraps and now you have a solid curtain of cable that's making the cab 30 fucking degrees hotter QUIT IT"
14:14 <Mr_Roboto> the shit always degrades over time but the better you do it to start with
14:14 <Volatile> titan_quest.cpp ChangeLog: Added new shaders
14:15 <Mr_Roboto> and those are SMALL fucking cabs too
14:15 <@chrism> yeah
14:15 <Mr_Roboto> I crammed a full length dell into one too
14:15 <Mr_Roboto> that was a fucking hat trick
14:16 <Mr_Roboto> like a poweredge 1950 I was surprised I didn't have to cut a fucking hole in the door
14:16 <@chrism> hahaha
14:16 <chrispi> lol
14:16 <Mr_Roboto> basically had to throw a shelf in above the APC to fit the mother fucker in. sonnofabitch BARELY fit
14:17 <sampson> legal documents make my brain implode
14:17 <@chrism> thank you for not putting it 3/4 of the way up the rack and creating a huge heat pocket
14:17 <@chrism> that would always make me sperge too
14:17 <@chrism> lol
14:17 <Mr_Roboto> rapid rails are fail in those cabs. The DFT cabs are fucking baller.
14:18 <Mr_Roboto> they've got the APC ones that are long, have the snap ins for the PDUs etc.
14:18 <@chrism> ooooh
14:18 <@chrism> nice
14:18 <@chrism> sexy
14:18 <Mr_Roboto> yeah. I have 2 shorty cabs here
14:18 <@chrism> knowing what I know now though, I'd ship one of those out to China and have 'em mass produced
14:18 <@chrism> then buy 'em for 400 bucks
14:18 <@chrism> lol
14:18 <@chrism> instead of the financial assraping that APC give syou for those cabs
14:19 <Mr_Roboto> the PDUs are the real ass raping
14:19 <@chrism> hah yeah that too
14:19 <Mr_Roboto> I need to get my PIC micro stuff out and make one for myself
14:19 <Mr_Roboto> I have a couple of the shitty Levitons here that are 1U and want to do that
14:20 <sampson> chrism: WIRE TIES
14:20 <sampson> WE GOT SUPER WIRE TIES
14:20 <@chrism> sampson: troll boat missed
14:20 <@chrism> back to your bridge
14:20 <sampson> fuckballs
14:20 <chrispi> LAWL
14:21 <sampson> i dont want to go back there
14:21 <sampson> major headache i'm avoiding for a few minutes
14:22 <Volatile> :(((((
14:22 <Volatile> QQ
14:22 <jeffm> http://laughingsquid.com/teaching-quadrocopters-to-juggle-balls/
14:24 <Volatile> You don't have permission to access /wp-content/cache/supercache/laughingsquid.com/teaching-quadrocopters-to-juggle-balls//index.html on this server.
14:24 <Volatile> :(((
14:24 <sampson> worked for me
14:24 <Volatile> http://laughingsquid.com/teaching-quadrocopters-to-juggle-balls
14:24 <sampson> perhaps you should stop using netscape 3.0 gold
14:24 <Volatile> apparently adding the extra / at the end fails.
14:25 <sampson> not here
14:25 <sampson> it's your outdated shit browser
14:25 <sampson> it actually added the / when i clicked your link
14:25 <Volatile> sam
14:25 <Volatile> *sigh*
14:25 <Volatile> if you have the / on the original link, it fails
14:25 <Volatile> it re-writes it to have the /
14:26 <jeffm> worked for me when i clicked in the chat
14:27 <jeffm> eh? http://tinyurl.com/478ssnq
14:28 <sampson> same jeffm
14:28 <jeffm> still broke?
14:29 <@chrism> tinyurl link worked for me
14:31 <jeffm> oh and fake gfs for facebook http://ti.me/iiM9rm for those that are forever alone
14:31 <@scrim> what I want to know is where do I get one of those?
14:31 <Mr_Roboto> the amount of time until they put a chain gun on one of those is very minimal
14:31 <@scrim> holy crap are those robots playing badmidton, WHILE FLYING?
14:31 <jeffm> agreed mr_roboto
14:31 <Volatile> that's pretty leet.
14:31 <Volatile> you could play catch with those
14:32 <Volatile> heh
14:32 <Volatile> or like.. hit a ball wit ha baseball, and it bounces it back to youy
14:32 <jeffm> again, forever alone, hah
14:32 <Volatile> how leet would that be.
14:32 <Volatile> er
14:32 <Mr_Roboto> or attach a chain gun and kill someone
14:32 <Volatile> hit a ball with a bat
14:32 <sampson> http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/gdzfi/iam_christopher_poole_aka_moot_founder_of_4chan/ I AM MOOT COME CLICK MY LINK AND SIGN UP FOR MY NEW SITE THANKS
14:32 <Volatile> oh look, someone posted self-serving garbage on reddit
14:32 <Volatile> this never happens.
14:33 <Volatile> surprising that moot doesn't need to travel with armed guards
14:33 <Volatile> considering the worst of the worst use his website
14:33 <Volatile> heh
14:33 <Mr_Roboto> people who are members of one internet group bitching about another is probably the fucking stupidest thing ever.
14:34 <sampson> look at the top rated question
14:34 <sampson> moot got put on the hot seat pretty quick
14:34 <Volatile> Mr_Roboto, obvious ironic hypocriscy is ironically hypocritical?
14:35 <Mr_Roboto> something like that. or as it was once put talk about the pot and the fucking kettle
14:38 <Mr_Roboto> The only way we will keep the internet from descending into the same pile of corporate shit that TV and radio are is if we are a unified front.
14:39 <Mr_Roboto> It's already going that way though.
14:40 <Mr_Roboto> ultimately that means that the subcultures of the net will have to join together to make their voice heard and ensure that they have a home on the internet.
14:42 <@chrism> Ya know, I don't think so
14:42 <@chrism> tghe problem you run into is when you have mixed media providers
14:42 <@chrism> i.e., tv and internet from the same company
14:43 <@chrism> it's a direct conflict of their interest to let you pull media online vs. purchasing it from them, so they do what they can to deter you from doing so
14:43 <@chrism> bandwidth caps are a way of jumping any sort of net neutrality argument
14:43 <@chrism> Now, what I think this will spur is the rise of the CLEC again
14:44 <@chrism> it just makes sense
14:44 <@chrism> let the big guys dick over everyone, let it simmer for a few years until mom and dad start hittign their bandwidth limits and getting railed for overages
14:44 <@chrism> and then THWACK, the market is ripe for a CLEC to pop up and run like woah
14:45 <sampson> i wouldn't mind an isp that did bw caps if they did unmetered
14:45 <sampson> but if you're paying for an advertised speed you should be able to push that speed 24/7
14:45 <Mr_Roboto> Sampson:yeah BW caps=over sold network
14:46 <sampson> like if i commit a 10mbit line from cogent i can push 10mbit constant 24/7/365
14:46 <Mr_Roboto> In a way I could also think that the ISPs could learn something from power companies
14:46 <sampson> k r/wtf you're going off my frontpage
14:47 <Mr_Roboto> you charge less to high volume users that let you throttle their shit during peak hours
14:47 <Mr_Roboto> and uncap them during off hours
14:47 <Mr_Roboto> so that means the people who are downloading huge volumes of movies queue up 5 or 6 during the night when traffic's low then when the peak hits you put a heavy BW cap on them
14:48 <Mr_Roboto> problem is that goes against virtually all ISP's business model of 95% billing
14:48 <Mr_Roboto> and because of the time zones involved peaks may not reconcile well with one another
14:49 <Mr_Roboto> but with shit becoming more distributed you could plausibly do something like that if you were say netflix or someone big. Localize the data more and then send it out based on location
14:59 <sampson> chrism: think i found a new hobby
14:59 <@chrism> oh yeah?
15:00 <sampson> sous vide cooking
15:00 <sampson> looks geeky and fun
15:00 <@chrism> hehe let me know how that turns out
15:00 <@chrism> i always wince at seeing the burgers done like that though
15:00 <sampson> idk if i want to invest the $400 on a cooker
15:00 <@chrism> they look horrible
15:00 <@chrism> but steaks, yeah i'd be curious on
15:00 <@chrism> you can make one fairly easy actually
15:00 <@chrism> lots of howtos floating around
15:00 <sampson> yeah i was thinking about that
15:01 <sampson> would be intersting to setup some arduino deal with a pump and heating element
15:01 <sampson> would probably be just as expensive but it'd be nerderific
15:01 <@chrism> lol
15:01 <@chrism> yeah let me know how it turns out for sure
15:01 <@chrism> i'm curious
15:03 <sampson> http://seattlefoodgeek.com/2010/02/diy-sous-vide-heating-immersion-circulator-for-about-75/
15:03 <sampson> blingo
15:05 <@chrism> nice!
15:05 <@chrism> So yeah I think i'mg oign to enter that sam adams homebrew competition
15:05 <sampson> gl
15:05 <@chrism> i've been kicking around a recipe for a true british ale
15:05 <@chrism> gracias
15:05 <@chrism> actually that reminds me, i gotta talk to my boss about water profiles
15:05 <@chrism> lol
15:12 <Mr_Roboto> hahaha sounds like fun
15:14 <@chrism> so hrm
15:14 <@chrism> i have to learn some fucking water science
15:14 <@chrism> =\
15:15 <Mr_Roboto> need to do a batch of wine been 3+ years
15:15 <@chrism> I may do that at some point
15:15 <@chrism> just for shits and giggles
15:15 <@chrism> like if I end up stuck down here and have to resign a lease on my house, i'll do a batch
15:16 <@chrism> i've got all the shit to do it from my beer brewing
15:16 <@chrism> so :shrug:
15:16 <Mr_Roboto> msot people that do wine seem to do beer too
15:16 <Mr_Roboto> I don't drink beer though
15:17 <@chrism> yeah, you have all the equipment already at that point
15:17 <@chrism> plus beer gets happy much faster than wine
15:17 <@chrism> =P
15:18 <Mr_Roboto> you have an electronics background though Sam build a controller
15:18 <Mr_Roboto> few op amps and a triac that's big enough you've got a decent controller
15:19 <@chrism> I'm actually thinking about building something similar for a multi-chamber conditioned fermenter
15:19 <@chrism> temp probes in each chamber conrolled by a linux box or something that redirects the cooling between 3-4 chambers as needed to maintain appropriate temps
15:21 <Mr_Roboto> PIC should do that easy
15:21 <Mr_Roboto> Sam is probably an AVR snob or something
15:21 <scofflaw> chrism are you talking about a bong?
15:22 <@chrism> it'd be one helluva bong
15:22 <@chrism> tbh i know fuck all about electronics
15:22 <@chrism> so it'll be interesting if nothing else
15:22 <scofflaw> true
15:22 <scofflaw> i read briefly about the arduino before, seems pretty cool
15:23 <scofflaw> a friend of mine showed me this little box he made to help 2 dif djs/vjs match their beats when playing together
15:23 <Mr_Roboto> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQECrcZs6Wc&feature=player_embedded#at=54
15:23 <scofflaw> that was pretty cool, janky lil box with some electronics on it and a blinky light
15:23 <scofflaw> i was (easily) impressed
15:25 <Mr_Roboto> actually I need to finish my amp up
15:25 <Mr_Roboto> I bought 10X probes for this oscilloscope and am regretting it
15:26 <Mr_Roboto> shoulda gotten some 100s
15:27 <scofflaw> s/oscilloscope/anus
15:29 <Mr_Roboto> amused.
15:36 <Mr_Roboto> sup bish?
15:36 <n|cotine> woot, two tickets to lolla
15:36 <Mr_Roboto> did you punch eddie money to steal them?
15:37 <n|cotine> Yes.
15:37 <Mr_Roboto> good.
15:43 <Mr_Roboto> what he gets for wrecking out that Enzo
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15:52 <S|D> bloody mify connection
15:52 <S|D> Hello peeps
15:53 <S|D> Did I miss anything good?
15:53 <Mr_Roboto> buncha dick jokes is about it
15:53 <scofflaw> i have a penis
15:54 <S|D> You have had penis?
15:54 <sampson> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4wCzViGQ4o best chef ever
15:54 <sampson> i imagine scofflaw's cooking to be similar
15:54 <n|cotine> better be swedish chef
15:54 <sampson> better
15:55 <sampson> some slob pyro
15:55 <scofflaw> :(
15:55 <sampson> the duude who made toilet steak
15:55 <scofflaw> i don't cook
15:55 <scofflaw> it's a shame
15:58 <@chrism> hahaha that dude sucks
15:58 <@chrism> worst cook eever
15:58 <@chrism> how the fuck do you catch pepper on fire?
15:58 <@chrism> lol
16:00 <scofflaw> pepper sparks
16:00 <scofflaw> well, not literally
16:00 <sampson> i need a spoon to a WHOA WHAT THE FUCK
16:01 <sampson> wait a minute there's smoke aw shit
16:01 <sampson> AWW FOR FUCK SAKE
16:04 <Volatile> scofflaw, what a day!
16:04 <Volatile> scofflaw, not a single red on my radar.
16:04 <Volatile> scofflaw, two UNCHes
16:05 <scofflaw> only thing red for me was MO
16:05 <scofflaw> damn smokers
16:05 <scofflaw> hurry up and buy
16:05 <Volatile> hah
16:05 <scofflaw> good way to end the month tho
16:05 <Volatile> i did well with MO like a year ago
16:06 <Volatile> i bought em after they got into the electronic cigarette business
16:06 <Volatile> they picked up some swedish company that, at the time, made pretty much all the electronic cigarettes available
16:06 <scofflaw> should hav einvested in some menthol cig co
16:06 <scofflaw> i
16:06 <scofflaw> you
16:06 <scofflaw> we
16:06 <scofflaw> whatever
16:07 <Volatile> what happened with menthol cigs?
16:07 <S|D> Electronic cigs is a good business
16:07 <scofflaw> just a lot of talk about banning them
16:07 <scofflaw> and not banning them
16:07 <Volatile> ohz
16:07 <Volatile> doh! AXP just went red in afterhours
16:07 <Volatile> heh
16:07 <Volatile> so much for my perfect day
16:08 <Volatile> damn im tired
16:08 <Volatile> my cat woke me up at 2am
16:08 <Volatile> meowing at my door
16:08 <Volatile> i tried to ignore her, but she just went on for like an hour
16:08 <Volatile> till i finally let her in the room
16:08 <scofflaw> feed that bitch
16:08 <Volatile> ..after about 30m of laying on the bed, she went and sat by the door, meowing endlessly, to be let out
16:09 <Volatile> she's a slut.
16:09 <Volatile> anything for the cock, that cat.
16:09 <Volatile> heh
16:11 <scofflaw> most are
16:12 <scofflaw> hah
16:12 <scofflaw> Volatile
16:12 <scofflaw> when we lived in LV i had a wells fargo account
16:12 <scofflaw> i got an email about it recently and reopened it
16:12 <scofflaw> i had .68
16:12 <scofflaw> $0.68
16:13 <scofflaw> as soon as i asked them to re-activate my account i'm getting low balance alerts and they wanna charge me $5
16:13 <scofflaw> fuckers
16:13 <scofflaw> die
16:15 <Volatile> hahaha
16:15 <Volatile> that's awesome
16:15 <@chrism> wow they're just reaching for ways to fuck people now
16:15 <Volatile> BAC charged me $120 to close my account
16:15 <@chrism> lol what?
16:15 <@chrism> why?
16:16 <Volatile> cuz i had a low balance
16:16 <Volatile> and wanted to close remotely
16:16 <Volatile> and that apparently costs $120
16:16 <scofflaw> wow
16:16 <Volatile> so i had to have a cheque printed, mailed to corporate, dated a certain day
16:16 <@chrism> cheque
16:16 <scofflaw> thats ridiculous
16:16 <Volatile> for all the 'back charges' related to my low balance of $48 or so
16:16 <scofflaw> you couldn't just transfer money out of the account and let it die?
16:16 <Volatile> so they would lcose my account
16:16 <Volatile> and stop charging me
16:16 <Volatile> no
16:16 <Volatile> to them, i had a negative balance
16:16 <scofflaw> that was kinda what happened with wells fargo
16:17 <Volatile> because of all their low balance fees
16:17 <scofflaw> but then when i didn't have enough to pay their fees, they made my account 'inactive'
16:17 <Volatile> they had like 4 months of low balance fees added on
16:17 <scofflaw> i wonder if i'm going to regret transferring money into that account so i don't get charged the fees
16:17 <Volatile> lawl.. look at BAC now
16:17 <scofflaw> haha
16:17 <scofflaw> yea
16:17 * Volatile giggles
16:17 <scofflaw> wonder if Wells Fargo would do the same
16:17 <scofflaw> i'd be super pissed
16:17 <Volatile> they were gunna send my shit to collections
16:17 <scofflaw> BAC said this to you?
16:17 <Volatile> for giving them my money
16:18 <Volatile> yes.
16:18 <scofflaw> wow
16:18 <scofflaw> Damian works for them
16:18 <Volatile> this was when i was in debt like $15k
16:18 <scofflaw> i will stab him
16:19 <@chrism> once again
16:20 <@chrism> fuck pgsql
16:20 <@chrism> and it's horrible horrible acl system
16:20 <Volatile> haha
16:20 <Volatile> postgres deserves the hate!
16:23 <mrtyfrdm> god i love my new dell notebook
16:24 <@chrism> lol enter key falls off
16:24 <@chrism> (kidding)
16:24 <mrtyfrdm> haha i usually had a problem with that damn enter key
16:24 <mrtyfrdm> on their older models
16:24 <mrtyfrdm> space and enter
16:24 <mrtyfrdm> but these are using the chiclet design now
16:25 <@chrism> oh you mean the apple style of keys
16:25 <mrtyfrdm> no i mean chiclet because apple did not design that
16:25 <@chrism> orly?
16:25 <@chrism> show me a keyboard design prior to the MBPs that look just like that
16:25 <@chrism> actually their flat keyboard was a few years before that
16:26 <@chrism> i had one of those back at mP
16:30 <mrtyfrdm> i had a roll up keyboard that was pretty much the same, but it was rubber
16:30 <mrtyfrdm> and 2005
16:30 <@chrism> ....
16:30 <@chrism> you know exactly what I mean
16:30 <@chrism> =P
16:31 <mrtyfrdm> i mean we can go back to the 70s with this one if you want
16:31 <mrtyfrdm> but i can give credit where credit is due, apple did popularize it on notebooks
16:31 <@chrism> not really, chiclets *have* been around forever, however the apple style and design/usage of them is what dell most assuradely ripped off
16:31 <@chrism> amongst every other laptop vendor now
16:31 <@chrism> aight fair nuff
16:31 <@chrism> hehe
16:31 <mrtyfrdm> well introduced it, i think wide adoption from netbook manufacturers did a lot to push it along
16:32 <@chrism> I think it's that everyone wanted to be the first to make a cheap apple laptop clone
16:32 <@chrism> cause those were selling like hotcakes
16:32 <mrtyfrdm> the eeepc tiara bought a year ago had them
16:32 <mrtyfrdm> looks nothing like a macbook though
16:32 <@chrism> yeah not saying yours specifically
16:32 <@chrism> a LOT try to just be poor mans MBPs
16:32 <@chrism> and fail
16:32 <mrtyfrdm> im talking about the eee she got
16:32 <@chrism> aah
16:32 <@chrism> yeah
16:33 <mrtyfrdm> but this one looks good without ripping off the mb asthetic, prolyl best looking dell notebook line yet short of their adamo and high end shit
16:33 <@chrism> nice
16:33 <@chrism> what proc?
16:33 <mrtyfrdm> plus SANDY BRIDGEEEE
16:33 <mrtyfrdm> i3
16:33 <@chrism> mmmm
16:33 <@chrism> JELLY
16:33 <mrtyfrdm> 6.5 hours on a 6 cell
16:34 <mrtyfrdm> 15 inch screne
16:34 <@chrism> i've considered building a hackintosh just for the iX arch
16:34 <mrtyfrdm> but yeah these keyboards just feel a hell of a lot more sturdy
16:34 <sampson> i7 sandybridge
16:34 <mrtyfrdm> than the old style rubber nipple with a metal hook stopping the key from flying off design
16:34 <sampson> :smug^max:
16:35 <mrtyfrdm> that what you got sampson
16:35 <mrtyfrdm> on your mbp?
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16:36 <mrtyfrdm> oh yeah i got USB THREE POINT OHHHHHHH
16:36 <mrtyfrdm> as well
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16:36 <@chrism> yeah but do you have thunderslut?
16:36 <mrtyfrdm> not that i;ll ever need it cause this has a 500 gb disk in it that i will more than likely never fill up
16:36 <mrtyfrdm> na i have no use for io that fast on a laptop haha
16:37 <mrtyfrdm> thunderbolt or 3.0
16:37 <@chrism> hell I would
16:37 <@chrism> monitors
16:37 <@chrism> cameras
16:37 <@chrism> etc
16:37 <@chrism> I'd fucking love it
16:37 <@chrism> i hope it catches on =(
16:38 <mrtyfrdm> yeah id like to see it cath on too so long as it wasn't half assed and there was wide adoption
16:38 <@chrism> agreed
16:38 <@chrism> the wide adoption thing is going to be the problem
16:39 <@chrism> USB formfactor is nice... fucking everything has it
16:39 <mrtyfrdm> the spec is open, any manufacturer can go ahead and start adding TB ports to their shit
16:39 <@chrism> yep
16:39 <mrtyfrdm> so if they start doing it, then great
16:39 <@chrism> ya know what it'll take, is ipods ands hit shipping with it to make it happen
16:39 <mrtyfrdm> yeah sure
16:39 <mrtyfrdm> just like firewire
16:40 <@chrism> nah they never tried firewire with that stuff
16:40 <@chrism> not the mass produced consumer grade stuff
16:40 <mrtyfrdm> i beg to differ
16:40 <mrtyfrdm> first 2 or 3 gen ipods definitely used firewire
16:40 <@chrism> there was a lot of audiodork shit that had it
16:40 <@chrism> video editing, etc
16:40 <@chrism> eh what
16:40 <@chrism> i had a first and second and used USB
16:40 <@chrism> 2 first, actually counting the shuffle
16:40 <@chrism> hehe
16:41 <mrtyfrdm> the first one was firewire only
16:41 <mrtyfrdm> the rest use both
16:41 <@chrism> oooh maybe
16:41 <@chrism> hrm actually yeah I don't think i ever did have a first come to think of it
16:41 <mrtyfrdm> no
16:41 <@chrism> those were the big/clunky ones
16:41 <mrtyfrdm> im right
16:41 <@chrism> fair nuff
16:41 <@chrism> but now, it's a diff ballgame
16:41 <mrtyfrdm> cause i remember saying
16:42 <mrtyfrdm> fuck that i ain't buying a mac just to use the apple mp3 player
16:42 <@chrism> lol
16:43 <mrtyfrdm> so you know what i got
16:43 <mrtyfrdm> hahah
16:43 <mrtyfrdm> a fucking mp3 cd player
16:44 <mrtyfrdm> HELL YEAH
16:44 <@chrism> they make those still?
16:44 <mrtyfrdm> no back then
16:44 <mrtyfrdm> this was like 01
16:44 <@chrism> aah :shrug: i had one in my car
16:44 <@chrism> loved it
16:44 <@chrism> lol
16:44 <@chrism> but now all the headunits have like USB inputs
16:44 <@chrism> which is A+++++
16:45 <mrtyfrdm> i wish mine did
16:45 <mrtyfrdm> usb or aux
16:45 <mrtyfrdm> NOPE
16:45 <mrtyfrdm> thanks for nothin vw
16:46 <S|D> welp time to drive home.. ciao everyone
16:46 <sampson> i got an iphone cable for my car
16:46 <sampson> it also has a aux cable
16:46 <sampson> thanks iphone box
16:46 <mrtyfrdm> lol
16:47 <mrtyfrdm> http://enfigcarstereo.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/VW_AUX_DMX_V5.html i need to get that
16:47 <sampson> ya i got something like that
16:47 <sampson> it works swimmingly
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17:12 <@chrism> wow, so i called AT&T back cause i hadn't gotten an email from them
17:12 <@chrism> and they're like "oh yeah we send those occasionally... but not always"
17:12 <@chrism> so I'd have waited for X days, and then been overdue and gotten hit for like 600 bucks worth of shit
17:12 <@chrism> had them give me the order # over the phone this time
17:12 <@chrism> those fucks
17:18 <scofflaw> as a shareholder of AT&T i hope you pay the $600
17:18 <scofflaw> so i can get paid nikka
17:18 <scofflaw> hookers and blow
17:29 <@chrism> eat dick
17:29 <@chrism> oh wait that was prolly lunch for you
17:29 <@chrism> OHSNP
17:38 <cubed> zing
17:38 <@haabingaa> :o
17:44 <tronyx> nice dick jokes guys
17:44 <tronyx> really proud
17:44 <@chrism> YAY WE MADE DADDY PROUD
17:44 <tronyx> daddy of the dick jokes
17:44 <tronyx> son i am proud
18:27 <tronyx> rawr
18:41 <tronyx> http://imgur.com/yvs0V
18:42 <sampson> IS IT EVER GONNA BE ENOUGH
18:42 <sampson> IS IT EVER GONNA BE ENOUGH
18:42 <sampson> ALL THE LACE AND THE SKIN IN THE SHOP COULDN'T GET YOU OFF
18:42 <sampson> ALL THE TOYS AND THE TOOLS IN THE BOX COULDN'T GET YOU OFF
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19:30 <sampson> http://theoatmeal.com/comics/sriracha
19:30 <sampson> TRUTH
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21:46 <@chrism> hahaha
21:47 <@chrism> "I call this practice 'napalming the jungle'"
21:48 <sampson> confused
21:48 <sampson> sold my 3ds on sa
21:48 <sampson> dude was like 335
21:48 <sampson> and i was like K
21:48 <sampson> dude sent me 360
21:48 <@chrism> w-hat
21:48 <sampson> yeah i know right
21:48 <@chrism> wtf do they cost new?
21:49 <sampson> i included 3 games
21:49 <sampson> $250
21:49 <@chrism> jesus
21:49 <@chrism> that's too fucking much for a handheld
21:49 <@chrism> =\
21:49 <sampson> it was pretty cool just sucked ass at ds
21:49 <sampson> i was intending on offsetting the cost by selling my dsi xl but it sucked ass
21:50 <kt> so the dsi xls are better?
21:50 <sampson> if you want to play ds games fuck yes
21:50 <kt> or not worth getting the 3ds if you have them?
21:50 <sampson> i love my xl
21:50 <sampson> best ds ever
21:50 <kt> my kids already have those
21:50 <kt> the camera is annoying
21:51 <sampson> hah
21:51 <sampson> if i had a dsi i wouldn't bother upgrading
21:51 <sampson> the dsiware doesn't transfer
21:51 <kt> i had to tell my 6 year old to not uhh take pictures of himself :P
21:51 <sampson> blows my mind that we talk about kids on irc
21:51 <kt> i guess it's better that he learns that as a 6 year old and not a 16 year old
21:52 <sampson> i remember being all blasting tool and FUCK YOU MOM 10 years ago
21:52 <sampson> god damn i'm turning 27 that was like 12 years ago
21:52 <sampson> getting old sucks
21:53 <kt> dv is old, yer still a youngin
21:53 <sampson> if i'm still on irc and am listening to peeps talk about grandkids
21:53 <sampson> i'm offing myself
21:54 <kt> ahahahaha
22:04 <m1k[3y]_> sold your 3DS already?
22:07 <@chrism> sampson: next time nintendo comes out w/ some shit, just send me 50 bucks and consider it saving yourself a trip to the store + postage
22:08 <sampson> ;____;
22:08 <sampson> well if i keep that extra cash
22:08 <sampson> i actually profited
22:08 <sampson> HEH
22:09 <sampson> because one game was half-off and the other was off some trade-in credit i forgot i had
22:33 <m1k[3y]_> 
22:56 <sampson> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9577239/cat-doctor-walks-off-ml.jpg

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