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#Chicago on Thursday, April 21, 2011



Links mentioned today:
http://bugs.mysql.com/bug.php?id=29821
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6YTBTSsrqU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56XseC2DBB4
http://www.i-programmer.info/news/126-os/2338-microsoft-counts-down-to-xp-death.html
http://www.destructoid.com/elephant/photo.phtml?post_key=199307&photo_key=177391
http://www.w3.org/TR/esi-lang
http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9215962/Oak_Ridge_National_Lab_shuts_down_Internet_email_after_cyberattack
http://i.imgur.com/zuH7x.jpg
http://www.texastribune.org/texas-state-agencies/governors-office/texas-governor-declares-weekend-of-prayer-for-rain/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caduceus_Cellars
http://www.theonion.com/articles/afterbirthers-demand-to-see-obamas-placenta,6866/


Log as of 11:59PM (time in EDT):
--- Log opened Thu Apr 21 00:00:19 2011
--- Log closed Thu Apr 21 04:01:43 2011
--- Log opened Thu Apr 21 04:19:12 2011
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07:30 <Volatile> hiz
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09:38 <Volatile> heyhey
09:43 <SidWork1> Whats up?
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09:43 <S|DSTER> Hopefully this is most of you guys friday
09:43 <S|DSTER> That you stupid religious holidays
09:43 <S|DSTER> thank you even
09:43 <S|DSTER> Rockin my new G2X
09:44 <S|DSTER> G4 Speed..
09:45 <+sampson> hey mysql
09:45 <+sampson> http://bugs.mysql.com/bug.php?id=29821
09:45 <+sampson> thanks for taking 3 years to acknowledge a bug
09:49 <Volatile> lawl
09:49 <Volatile> i wish i had tomorrow off
09:51 <Volatile> Marc,
09:51 <Volatile> thank you for the feedback. No, you don't need to open new bug report. Nobody except
09:51 <Volatile> MySQL developers will see hidden comments if you concerns about private data.
09:51 <Volatile> or the guys who own mysql.com
09:53 <Volatile> P.S.
09:53 <Volatile> So, guys, if you're still have even a little pride in your own work, don't you want to
09:53 <Volatile> try solving the issue? Someone like me even could provide you gladly with an stable
09:53 <Volatile> environment to reproduce the issue (mysql binaries, used to run the DB, database dump,
09:53 <Volatile> queries flow in order to reproduce the issue).
09:53 <Volatile> what a dick
09:54 <Volatile> my response to a guy like that: Officially, because you're a douchebag, we've decided to mark this bug as "user error".
09:54 <Volatile> Future versions will implement a fix for systems other than yours.
10:22 <@chrism> yaaaawwwnz
10:29 <Volatile> ohi
10:29 <Volatile> psychotherapist
10:37 <@chrism> analrapist
10:37 <@chrism>
10:37 <@chrism> Somebody who combines the professions of analyst and therapist, thus becoming an analrapist.
10:39 <Volatile> nice.
10:39 <Volatile> it's what god invented female butts for
10:40 <Volatile> Well, This Was Totally Expected Dept.: The PlayStation 3 game The Last Guardian will not be released this holiday season, Sony said Wednesday.
10:40 <Volatile> lawl
10:40 <Volatile> Sony is nothing but endless fail
10:40 <Volatile> PSN has been down for over 10 hrs too
10:40 <@chrism> hahaha
10:40 <@chrism> and it's probably *not* anon's fault
10:40 <@chrism> lol
10:41 <@chrism> on a side note, I snagged Skate 3 last night
10:41 <Volatile> They're "aware" of some instances of outages
10:41 <@chrism> did the initial walk through and stuff, and it seems like it might be alright
10:41 <Volatile> I remember when Sony was the winrar, and Microsoft was nothing but fail
10:41 <Volatile> Oh, how things change.
10:41 <@chrism> hah
10:42 <Volatile> "Did Microsoft just announce they plan to get into the console market? hahahahahaha"
10:42 <Volatile> now it's "PS3 or Xbox? Xbox version of course."
10:43 <Volatile> Microsoft probably holds public hangings of executives if XBL goes down unexpectedly
10:43 <@chrism> haha no shit
10:43 <@chrism> dude MS did XBL right
10:43 <@chrism> like full on respect for that
10:43 <@chrism> however, the PS3 really just is th ebtter console of the two
10:43 <Volatile> Yeah. You have to PAY for a service to remain up
10:43 <@chrism> yep
10:43 <Volatile> Sony still likes their freefailboat
10:43 <Volatile> 'DURRRRR.. $5/mo TOO 'SPENSIVE FOR $500 CONSOLE
10:43 <@chrism> hahaha
10:44 <@chrism> so, this test suite that we have, basically runs a shitload of perl based test::more tests against the product
10:44 <Volatile> What fucking genius at Sony thought that one out?
10:44 <@chrism> now the problem, is that it automatically resets itself as soon as the test run is done
10:44 <@chrism> so if shit fails, NO FORENSICS FOR YOU
10:44 <Volatile> We'll make it free! It will magically be better than something that is funded with a steady income!
10:44 <@chrism> oh yeah and it takes a good hour to run the grouping of tests i'm running now =(
10:44 <Volatile> heh
10:45 <@chrism> yeah, but flat out the ps3 hardware is just better
10:45 <@chrism> like you're REALLY starting to see it now
10:45 <Volatile> Perl's test stuff doesn't have a way to store results?
10:45 <Volatile> i am?
10:45 <Volatile> how old is PS3?
10:45 <Volatile> PS3 was released in North America on November 17, 2006
10:45 <@chrism> about the same as the 360? maybe a bit newer
10:45 <Volatile> 4 years later, developers are finally able to USE the shit Sony tossed out the door
10:45 <Volatile> is that what you're telling me?
10:45 <Volatile> sorry, 5
10:45 <@chrism> that, and it's just better/faster hardware
10:45 <Volatile> ;P
10:46 <@chrism> but yeah, pmuch
10:46 <Volatile> please be trolling
10:46 <@chrism> lol
10:46 <@chrism> nah not really, good case in point is the main medium for games
10:46 <Volatile> dude.. i know sony put better hardware in
10:46 <Volatile> but the platform is garbage
10:46 <@chrism> fair nuff
10:46 <@chrism> yeah
10:46 <@chrism> they always fuck up the dev side of things
10:46 <@chrism> lol
10:46 <Volatile> no one has the time or money to work with it
10:46 <@chrism> (squaresoft)
10:47 <Volatile> have you heard from naughtydog about their ps3 shit?
10:47 <Volatile> geezuz christ.
10:47 <@chrism> haha nah
10:47 <@chrism> nightmare?
10:47 <Volatile> the opposite
10:47 <Volatile> they told Sony they planned to 'use every bit' of PS3's hardware
10:47 <@chrism> ?
10:47 <@chrism> oh nice
10:47 <Volatile> this must have been the first time someone told sony this
10:47 <Volatile> cuz sony sent them their engineers practically
10:47 <@chrism> hahah
10:47 <@chrism> wow
10:47 <Volatile> that's why uncharted looked so damned good
10:47 <@chrism> aaaah
10:47 <Volatile> another company can't fucking do that
10:47 <@chrism> dude uncharted *IS* an awesome game
10:47 <Volatile> they hafta release across all consoles
10:47 <Volatile> to make up money
10:47 <@chrism> the whole series so far
10:48 <Volatile> developers have to be able to use the platform's API without low-level shit
10:48 <Volatile> i don't care if you have a bazillion cores that can multiplex pipelines of 23508923548723 teraflop data points singularities with quantum timings
10:48 <Volatile> if using that said hardware is going to cost a company 10 times more to produce it
10:48 <Volatile> they wont use it
10:48 <Volatile> they'll use the base API
10:49 <@chrism> pmuch
10:49 <Volatile> so yeah, maybe after 6 years of toying with PS3, they'll start to use the hardware more, but i guarantee you, xbox developers dont hafta do that shit
10:49 <Volatile> directx11
10:49 <Volatile> go.
10:49 <Volatile> fully documented, nothing insanely out of the ordinary.. can easily be wrapped into existing rendering classes
10:49 <Volatile> try doing that with PS3
10:49 <@chrism> yeah no doubt
10:49 <@chrism> advantage: MS
10:49 <@chrism> for sure
10:50 <Volatile> MS is awesome with developers
10:50 <@chrism> they have to be
10:50 <Volatile> it's like having a savvy car dude write a manual about cars
10:50 <@chrism> i mean if they don't suck dev cock, then the devs write shit for apple
10:50 <@chrism> heh
10:50 <Randy> mmm sucking cock
10:50 <Volatile> Wonder what OS Sony rolls on for development
10:50 <Volatile> (Windows)
10:50 <Volatile> heh
10:50 <@chrism> maybe?
10:50 <@chrism> it's hard to tell
10:50 <Volatile> Bet they use Visual Studio too
10:51 <@chrism> I seem to recall a lot of the big game dev companies don't touch windows internally
10:51 <@chrism> like iD is pure linux internally
10:51 <Volatile> yeah, i think ive heard that too
10:51 <@chrism> fuck when was the last time iD had a game?
10:51 <Volatile> they're still working on rage
10:51 <Volatile> it's not getting good previews
10:51 <@chrism> damn
10:51 <@chrism> heh
10:51 <Volatile> :\
10:52 <Volatile> heh
10:52 <Volatile> chrism
10:52 <Volatile> if you've got like 15 minutes to spare, check out the 'making of doom' on youtube
10:52 <@chrism> yeah?
10:52 <Volatile> shows pre-alpha versions, all the way through to the end
10:52 <Volatile> it's pretty hilarious where it started out in alpha
10:53 <Volatile> looks like some kid's summer project at the start
10:53 <Volatile> the HUD i mean
10:53 <Volatile> looks pretty silly
10:53 <@chrism> hah
10:53 <@chrism> i'll check it out
10:53 <@chrism> watchign the Rage trailer now
10:54 <@chrism> well gameplay footage thing
10:54 <Volatile> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6YTBTSsrqU
10:54 <@chrism> woah, graphics look nice
10:54 <Volatile> yeah
10:54 <Volatile> id doesn't skimp on graphics
10:54 <@chrism> they tend to set the bar
10:54 <@chrism> but ya know i'm not seeing anything like ZOMG CRAZY like you used to see from them
10:54 <+sampson> i b i b on it (yo ass) i b on it
10:55 <Volatile> the negativish previews of rage have been that the environments arent creative
10:55 <+sampson> oh hello page down
10:55 <Volatile> 'desert'
10:55 <Volatile> etcetc
10:55 <Volatile> borderlands
10:55 <Volatile> fallout
10:55 <Volatile> etc
10:55 <+sampson> 2 things that should never be in games:
10:55 <+sampson> water temples
10:55 <+sampson> deserts
10:55 <@chrism> serious sam says fuck you
10:55 <+sampson> serious sam had pyrmids
10:56 <+sampson> lil different
10:56 <@chrism> =\
10:56 <@chrism> it was ina desert
10:56 <@chrism> well and other stuff
10:56 <@chrism> lol
10:56 <@chrism> but yeah
10:56 <+sampson> ya but there were pyramids with running asses
10:56 <@chrism> ahhaha
10:56 <@chrism> rage *does* look good, but yeah it doesn't make me go "HOLY FUCK CARMACK IS STILL GOD"
10:56 <@chrism> it just looks like another good first person shooter
10:56 <+sampson> i played it on my iphone
10:56 <+sampson> wasn't impressed
10:57 <@chrism> ...
10:57 <+sampson> don't dis iphone games
10:57 <+sampson> check this shit out it's really impressive looking
10:57 <@chrism> the fact that it runs on your iphone should be something special
10:57 <@chrism> hehe
10:57 <+sampson> yeah but look at this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56XseC2DBB4
10:57 <+sampson> it looks 80x better
10:57 <+sampson> using the unreal 3 engine
10:58 <@chrism> g'damn
10:58 <@chrism> that's kinda crazy
10:59 <+sampson> xactly
11:01 <m1k[3y]> protip you guys
11:01 <m1k[3y]> if you use pandora
11:01 <m1k[3y]> create a station called ratatat
11:01 <m1k[3y]> and enjoy
11:04 <n|cotine> ratatat++
11:04 <n|cotine> They are the shit
11:04 <@chrism> NO ONE ASKED YOU
11:10 <@chrism> Yeah well
11:10 <@chrism> SOOO LOOOOOONG
11:11 <@chrism> WE'LL WISH YOU WELL
11:11 <@chrism> SHOW US HOW YOU WEREN'T AFRAID TO DIE
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12:09 <@chrism> I'd like to take this moment to say "FUCK YOU AMAZON/REDDIT"
12:09 <@chrism> on that note, I've gotten a sick amount of shit done this morning
12:09 <@chrism> =\
12:11 <+sampson> suck it wordpress
12:11 <+sampson> 14 N total active purges
12:11 <+sampson> 14 N new purges added
12:11 <+sampson> i am the master templater
12:11 <+sampson> s/templater/developer/
12:12 <@chrism> wow
12:12 <@chrism> wordpress dev
12:12 <@chrism> you're up there with Tim Rhodes now
12:13 <+sampson> nah surpassed that fool
12:13 <@chrism> i dunno man
12:13 <+sampson> he can't touch this
12:13 <@chrism> he's like top notch
12:13 <+sampson> actually this is pretty slick tbqh sarcasm aside
12:13 <+sampson> i got varnish serving everythign up and caching everything possible
12:14 <+sampson> then i fixed this broke ass wordpress plugin so every time a request is made for comments/new posts it purges required stuff
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12:46 <@chrism> lol @ MS Counts down to XP Death
12:46 <@chrism> "Please buy something newer from us, I mean we know XP works and all, but please buy"
12:47 <@chrism> http://www.i-programmer.info/news/126-os/2338-microsoft-counts-down-to-xp-death.html
12:47 <@chrism> lol
12:48 <Orb_> "Sorry about that whole Vista and ME thing"
12:48 <@chrism> jesus fuck I'm reading slashdot today
12:48 <@chrism> REDDIT FIX K
12:58 <@chrism> damnit I'm actually stuck right now and would love to read reddit
12:58 <@chrism> =(
12:59 <@chrism> i can't do shit until my code gets merged, and i can't merge the code I write, so I'm sitting here with a thumb up my ass
13:04 <chrispi> chrism: time to play portal 2
13:04 <@chrism> hehe
13:04 <@chrism> i'm contemplative
13:04 <@chrism> I def. have steam installed on this mac pro
13:04 <@chrism> lol
13:30 <Volatile> sup
13:30 <Volatile> i never had any problems with vista
13:31 <Volatile> vista worked just like Windows 7 does. Windows 7 is just "better"
13:33 <Volatile> http://www.destructoid.com/elephant/photo.phtml?post_key=199307&photo_key=177391
13:33 <Volatile> im kinda jealous
13:33 <Volatile> i still havent beat the DS remake.. and i dont have an ipad :(((
13:45 <+sampson> FUCKING WORDPRESS
13:50 <Volatile> ?
13:50 <@chrism> hire tim
13:50 <Volatile> it's not pressing words?
13:51 <@chrism> templater
13:51 <@chrism> er
13:51 <@chrism> fail at paste
13:51 <@chrism> =(
13:53 <+sampson> no i ran into a road block
13:53 <+sampson> so like varnish is awesome
13:54 <+sampson> and you can tell it to not cache portions of your site by using what are called edge-server includes
13:54 <+sampson> but youc an only use ESI in html
13:54 <+sampson> and wordpress is pure php
13:54 <+sampson> so nfc how that works
13:57 <+sampson> http://www.w3.org/TR/esi-lang
13:57 <@chrism> lol more microsoft win
13:57 <@chrism> http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9215962/Oak_Ridge_National_Lab_shuts_down_Internet_email_after_cyberattack
13:58 <@chrism> wtf do people keep using IE in secure environments?
13:58 <@chrism> idgi
14:02 <Volatile> it comes with the computer
14:03 <Volatile> if a computer came with a device to punch yourself in the face with, end-users would use it, even though it makes no sense to punch yourself in the face.
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14:10 <+sampson> i suck at phop
14:10 <+sampson> $fp = fsockopen(127.0.0.1, 80, $errno, $errstr, 5);
14:11 <+sampson> what do i need to do to make that work
14:12 <+sampson> it's throwing an error Parse error: syntax error, unexpected T_DNUMBER
14:12 <@chrism> did you use strict; ?
14:12 <@chrism> =P
14:12 <+sampson> i fixed
14:12 <+sampson> changed it to localhost
14:12 <@chrism> lol
14:13 <+sampson> now wordpress
14:13 <+sampson> y u no like me
14:14 <+sampson> or this plugin just blows
14:14 <+sampson> not sending purge requests rawrrr
14:15 <@chrism> wait, php code that doesn't scale?
14:15 <@chrism> UNPOSSIBLE
14:15 <+sampson> it's a quick hack plugin
14:15 <+sampson> i already found two bugs in it
14:15 <@chrism> instead of all this ghetto shit for caching, have you just tried doing a proper opcode cacher?
14:16 <+sampson> yeah
14:16 <+sampson> shit implodes
14:16 <+sampson> wordpress seriously sucks balls at scaling
14:16 <@chrism> how does it "implode"?
14:16 <+sampson> for some reason it fragments the cache horribly
14:16 <+sampson> and ends up running slower
14:16 <+sampson> right now it's using memcache for keys but no opcode cash
14:17 <m1k[3y]> that sounds wierd
14:17 <m1k[3y]> apc?
14:17 <+sampson> yup
14:17 <m1k[3y]> did they fuck with the apc configs?
14:17 <+sampson> nope
14:18 <m1k[3y]> hrm, weird
14:18 <@chrism> I always liked xcache
14:18 <@chrism> :shrug:
14:18 <@chrism> I've used that on some MASSIVE sites before with much success
14:21 <+sampson> clever girl
14:21 <+sampson> ?>
14:21 <+sampson> <esi:include src="/wp-content/plugins/esi/esihandler.php"/>
14:21 <+sampson> <?php
14:21 <+sampson> and then esihandler actually loads the plugin
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14:52 <scofflaw> you sure you know what you're doing?
14:54 <+sampson> yes
14:55 <m1k[3y]> fuck it
14:56 <m1k[3y]> DO IT LIVE
15:02 <Volatile> heh
15:03 <Volatile> sup scoff
15:03 <Volatile> any good info you can pass from your co-workers? :D
15:04 <scofflaw> SELL SELL SELL
15:04 <Volatile> heh
15:04 <Volatile> i have tons of cash on the sidelines :(
15:04 <Volatile> what am i supposed to be selling tho? tech is on TEH FIRE
15:04 <Volatile> like Nas-style fire
15:04 <Volatile> MO'FIYAH
15:04 <scofflaw> hah, i dont know man
15:05 <scofflaw> i dont really hear the hedge fund guys talk about specific positions so much
15:05 <Volatile> blah
15:05 <Volatile> i wonder what it takes to get accredited
15:05 <scofflaw> and then the retail brokerage people are just on the phone with john q public trader
15:05 <Volatile> i REALLY wish i could get into a hedge fund
15:05 <scofflaw> who's trying to sell/buy 1000 shares of KO for example
15:06 <@chrism> http://i.imgur.com/zuH7x.jpg
15:06 <scofflaw> start one mang
15:06 <@chrism> i can't tell if that's win or not
15:06 <Volatile> john q trader buys and sells 1000?
15:06 <Volatile> istart one?
15:06 <Volatile> i can't even buy into one
15:06 <scofflaw> i'm just saying, it's retail brokerage talk I hear behind me
15:06 <Volatile> ah
15:06 <Volatile> that sucks :\
15:06 <scofflaw> then the hedge fund guys to the left agin, i dont hear too much about specific positions
15:06 <Volatile> oh
15:06 <scofflaw> or i dont know what they're talking about
15:06 <Volatile> shit
15:06 <Volatile> i didn't even know what an accredited investor was
15:06 <Volatile> now i do
15:06 <scofflaw> when they're saying buy as many as you can at X
15:06 <Volatile> and i don't qualify
15:07 <scofflaw> what does it take to qualify?
15:07 <scofflaw> you now what i hear a lot?
15:07 <scofflaw> you can't day trade on the proceeds from a sale you made today
15:07 <Volatile> 1M net worth, with $200k from trading each year, for the last two years
15:07 <Volatile> then you're considered "accredited"
15:07 <scofflaw> oh
15:07 <Volatile> and you can buy into things the SEC doesn't control
15:07 <scofflaw> word
15:07 <Volatile> (like hedge funds)
15:07 <scofflaw> word
15:08 <scofflaw> word
15:08 <scofflaw> i want 1M net worth
15:08 <scofflaw> 1 MILLY
15:08 <Volatile> the $200k/yr from trading is what seems most unlikely to me
15:09 <scofflaw> yea that would be nice
15:09 <Volatile> oh, and you have to show that you're on your way to that number the year you intend to become "accredited"
15:09 <scofflaw> except the taxes
15:09 <Volatile> so, 3 years of $200k+ income
15:09 <Volatile> plus 1M net worth
15:09 <scofflaw> gotcha
15:09 <Volatile> that's fucking bullshit
15:09 <Volatile> i can buy a lottery ticket
15:09 <Volatile> that's guaranteed to be a bad investment
15:09 <scofflaw> nu uh
15:09 <Volatile> why the fuck can't i put my cash into a hedge fund that returns 15-20%?
15:10 <scofflaw> cuz it's made for big boys with big boy toys i guess
15:10 <Volatile> most hedge funds aren't going to let me put less than $100k in anyway
15:10 <scofflaw> yea
15:10 <scofflaw> get a job with a firm like me
15:10 <scofflaw> become a partner
15:10 <Volatile> the guy i know who runs one, his minimum is $5m
15:10 <Volatile> i remember thinking mutual fund minimums were high
15:10 <Volatile> heh
15:10 <scofflaw> hah
15:10 <Volatile> now hedge fund minimums seem high
15:10 <scofflaw> $1500
15:11 <Volatile> i hope i get to a place where hedge funds seem reasonably priced
15:11 * Volatile sells everything and buys into AAPL 100%
15:11 <Volatile> okay AAPL
15:11 <Volatile> go!
15:11 <scofflaw> hah
15:11 <scofflaw> THIS JUST IN: STEVE JOBS DIED AAPL DOWN 20%
15:11 <Volatile> heh
15:11 <Volatile> if steve jobs dies
15:11 <Volatile> i'll short
15:11 <scofflaw> would be dope tho
15:11 <Volatile> ..but i'd keep my long prospects too
15:12 <scofflaw> as much as i'd like some AAPL in my brokerage account, i own it in mutual funds, so i guess i should be content
15:12 <Volatile> i sold half of my mutual fund holdings
15:12 <scofflaw> i'm just trying to diversify personally
15:12 <Volatile> yesterday
15:12 <scofflaw> word
15:12 <Volatile> half of each holding i should say
15:12 <scofflaw> sell sell sell
15:12 <Volatile> they were all up over 30%
15:13 <scofflaw> buy gold
15:14 <Volatile> loo
15:14 <Volatile> if this was 1990
15:15 <Volatile> i'd be all over gold
15:15 <Volatile> :\
15:15 <scofflaw> well sure
15:15 <Volatile> i have some indirect exposure to gold, but nothing "gold"
15:15 <scofflaw> i dont know whats wrong with doin gthat in 2011
15:15 <scofflaw> but i hear you
15:15 <scofflaw> thats how i feel about aapl :)
15:15 <Volatile> AAPL was just upgraded again
15:15 <Volatile> "crushed" estimates last quarter
15:16 <Volatile> i'll start worrying about AAPL at 390
15:16 <Volatile> i bet there will be significant selling there
15:16 <scofflaw> why
15:16 <Volatile> and less buyers
15:16 <Volatile> cuz of the pending 400
15:16 <Volatile> which is the median for analysts predictions through 2012
15:16 <scofflaw> k
15:16 <Volatile> chartists will sell early on
15:17 <Volatile> just like some people are selling the end of april for may
15:17 <Volatile> etc
15:17 <scofflaw> i guess
15:17 <scofflaw> i thought you were long AAPL
15:17 <scofflaw> in which case what does any of that matter
15:17 <scofflaw> like it's never going to cross 400?
15:17 <scofflaw> shrug
15:17 <Volatile> if by "long", you mean I think it will go up
15:17 <Volatile> yes
15:17 <scofflaw> k
15:17 <Volatile> i dont own a single stock that I think I'll own for more than 12 months
15:17 <scofflaw> k
15:17 <scofflaw> you're too advanced for me
15:17 <scofflaw> back to reddit
15:18 <Volatile> eh
15:18 <Volatile> why the sarcasm?
15:18 <scofflaw> no serious
15:18 <Volatile> ohz
15:18 <Volatile> heh
15:19 <Volatile> my mutual funds were held for over 12 months i guess
15:19 <Volatile> and i still have quite a bit in em
15:19 <Volatile> just sold off the older lots
15:19 <scofflaw> why
15:19 <scofflaw> thought you were bullish on the market
15:19 <scofflaw> why sell
15:20 <Volatile> well.. they were up over 30%, and they're lagging my other investments
15:20 <Volatile> second, i think it's likely there will be some earnings negativity mid-year that i can take advantage of
15:21 <Volatile> to bring that cash back into the market
15:22 <Volatile> that's more speculative though. what i'd really like, is another flash crash
15:22 <Volatile> ;P
15:22 <scofflaw> see all of what you said is why i say you're too advanced
15:22 <scofflaw> for me
15:23 <scofflaw> and i would rather read reddit
15:23 <scofflaw> :P
15:23 <Volatile> heh
15:23 <Volatile> im not really doing anything all that advanced
15:24 <scofflaw> well that and we don't agree
15:24 <scofflaw> and then when you disagree with me you talk about what you thought i meant
15:24 <scofflaw> versys what i said
15:24 <scofflaw> :p
15:24 <Volatile> eh.. referring to that "we're in slow decline"?
15:25 <scofflaw> that was the latest example
15:25 <Volatile> *shrug* wasn't attempting to argue semantics. by what you said, i thought you really were saying that currently we were in some subtle decline
15:25 <Volatile> actually, i think i agree with you that things will go a bit negative
15:25 <Volatile> but just for different reasons
15:25 <scofflaw> shrug
15:26 <Volatile> and i view it as positive.. as i view the S&P debt rating as a positive
15:26 <scofflaw> you can look at the dow/s&p and be look, oh hey look, it's up, i'm doing great
15:26 <scofflaw> but that doesn't take into considering the fact those dollars are worth less today than they were x days ago
15:26 <scofflaw> and blah blah blah
15:26 <Volatile> i only rate my performance based on realized gains (or losses heh)
15:26 <Volatile> but yeah
15:26 <Volatile> i hear what you're saying
15:26 <Volatile> i dont really look at charts all that much
15:27 <Volatile> maybe when im looking for a price
15:27 <Volatile> i also see myself going back to Jan-Apr of '09 a lot
15:27 <Volatile> looking at what companies were valued at then
15:27 <Volatile> vs their peers
15:27 <Volatile> though i think i most investors would tell me im an idiot for looking at the past
15:29 <scofflaw> i wish you luck
15:29 <scofflaw> i don't have the time/desire to do all that research
15:29 <Volatile> heh.. i hesitate to call anything i do "research" :)
15:29 <Volatile> im not sure how educational it all is
15:29 <scofflaw> well sounds like you invest quite a bit of time into it
15:29 <scofflaw> which is cool
15:29 <scofflaw> i'm not hating
15:29 <scofflaw> but i dont like to talk about it much with you either
15:29 <scofflaw> :P
15:29 <Volatile> heh
15:30 <Volatile> yeah, i ramble on a lot about it
15:30 <Volatile> i guess it's exciting to me because i'm invested a lot
15:30 <Volatile> ..cliche pun intended.
15:31 <scofflaw> not that doesn't excite me either
15:31 <scofflaw> but i guess i have a more long term view on all this stuff
15:32 <scofflaw> partly because i can't day trade
15:32 <scofflaw> well, i need clearance and al that bs
15:33 <Volatile> yeah
15:33 <Volatile> that sucks
15:33 <Volatile> i can't daytrade either
15:33 <@chrism> clearance for cock
15:34 <Volatile> ..and by that, i mean if i did, i'd fail miserably
15:34 <Volatile> heh
15:35 <scofflaw> i'm long precious metals
15:35 <scofflaw> that's all i'm saying
15:35 <scofflaw> and telecommunications
15:35 <scofflaw> and water
15:35 <scofflaw> and real estate
15:35 <Volatile> heh
15:35 <Volatile> im long oxygen
15:35 <Volatile> !
15:35 <scofflaw> hah
15:35 <scofflaw> by water i meant PHO
15:35 <Volatile> and mac'n'cheese
15:35 <Volatile> heh
15:35 <Volatile> werd
15:36 <scofflaw> maxed my ira from 2010 with vgpmx
15:39 <scofflaw> !stock vgpmx
15:39 <scofflaw> shameful!
15:40 <scofflaw> jsyk
15:40 <scofflaw> we have a fw between us and goldman
15:40 <scofflaw> and when my phone rings
15:40 <scofflaw> it says goldman sachs
15:40 <scofflaw> i want to answer "Lloyd?"
15:41 <@chrism> hahaha
15:44 <scofflaw> i hate when i write pythong
15:44 <scofflaw> seems to happen a lot
15:44 <@chrism> pythong
15:44 <@chrism> code for whores?
15:45 <scofflaw> i dunno but it fucks my shit up
15:45 <scofflaw> chrism eta for your return
15:45 <@chrism> meh not sure , gotta sort some financial shit out first and do everything proper rather than rush it
15:46 <@chrism> side note
15:46 <@chrism> fuck this state
15:46 <@chrism> http://www.texastribune.org/texas-state-agencies/governors-office/texas-governor-declares-weekend-of-prayer-for-rain/
15:46 <mrtyfrdm> hey guys
15:46 <mrtyfrdm> how are youuu
15:47 <scofflaw> hah
15:47 <scofflaw> invest it with vol
15:48 <@chrism> sid enote, fuck tomcat
15:48 <scofflaw> true
15:48 <scofflaw> fuck exchange too
15:49 <scofflaw> and most of all
15:49 <scofflaw> fuck pythong!
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15:56 <Volatile> heh
15:56 <Volatile> pythong
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16:07 <scofflaw> get us a stock quoter
16:07 <scofflaw> and a portfolio bot
16:07 <scofflaw> so whenever i join the chan it shows my portfolio and performance
16:20 <Volatile> heh
16:20 <Volatile> if etrade had API, i'd be all over it
16:20 <Volatile> they do, butcha hafta pay for it
16:27 <scofflaw> we have api
16:33 <Volatile> so gimme an API key
16:33 <Volatile> and i'll make a stock bot
16:33 <Volatile> ;P
16:33 <Volatile> call it "scofflaw's key"
16:33 <m1k[3y]> my god the dev manager is fucking dumb
16:39 <Volatile> heh
16:39 <Volatile> what did he do now?
16:41 <m1k[3y]> worker>
16:41 <m1k[3y]> her slideshow works now
16:41 <m1k[3y]> [4:20pm] <worker>
16:41 <m1k[3y]> hm random. thanks!
16:42 <m1k[3y]> <another guy> if (rand(0,100) < 50) { show_captions(); }
16:42 <m1k[3y]> <fucking dumb dev manager>
16:42 <m1k[3y]> oo, be fun to go through the division method if($i%2==0){ show_captions();}
16:42 <m1k[3y]> dev managers response is not correct
16:42 <m1k[3y]> bascially
16:44 <scofflaw> i think you just need your own account
16:44 <scofflaw> i dunno
16:44 <scofflaw> i could ask
16:47 <Volatile> heh
16:47 <Volatile> i'd hafta pay for that, wouldn't i?
16:47 <Volatile> are the quotes real-time or delayed?
16:47 <Volatile> yahoo provides free real-time api i guess.
16:48 <Volatile> restful intarfuce.
16:48 <scofflaw> yea but they aren't a broker
16:48 <Volatile> did you want to place trades with the bot?
16:48 <Volatile> :P
16:48 <scofflaw> i'll put in whatever you put in
16:48 <scofflaw> but you have to open the account
16:48 <Volatile> hah
16:48 <scofflaw> :p
16:49 <Volatile> i'd probably use yahoo if i was gunna write a bot actually
16:49 <Volatile> cuz they haf all the historical data avail too
16:49 <scofflaw> i'm pretty sure we do too
16:49 <Volatile> ymf!
16:49 <Volatile> STOP MAKING ME WANT TO WORK ON AN IRC BOT
16:50 <scofflaw> haha
16:50 <scofflaw> oh
16:50 <Volatile> you know i've written a bazillion bots
16:50 <scofflaw> we're talking about 2 dif things now
16:50 <scofflaw> irc bot
16:50 <scofflaw> and a bot to trade
16:50 <scofflaw> :p
16:50 <Volatile> oih
16:50 <Volatile> hahaha
16:50 <Volatile> i thought you meant you wanted an irc bot that tracked some portfolio
16:50 <Volatile> like the one in #stocks
16:51 <Volatile> it's pretty funny.. there's guys in that channel that supposedly have their whole portfolio in that bot
16:51 <Volatile> for public scrutiny
16:51 <Volatile> they'll check in and show off their $30k in holdings
16:51 <scofflaw> i'd be embarassed to show 30k
16:52 <Volatile> one guy was questioning one of my speculative bets
16:52 <Volatile> and i told him i wouldnt lose any sleep if i lost 100% of it
16:52 <Volatile> and i had forgotten that i told him it was only $1k
16:52 <Volatile> and told him the size of the position across my portfolio
16:52 <Volatile> and he was like 'wtf'
16:52 <Volatile> started calling me a liar and shit
16:53 <Volatile> fortunately, his algebra skills fail, and he couldn't determine my actual invested amount from the numbers i gave him
16:53 <scofflaw> word
16:54 <scofflaw> $30k is a little more than my brokerage bank roll
16:54 <Volatile> regardless of how much i have invested, it's not something i want to share with anyone
16:54 <Volatile> some of the guys in #stocks are real nice
16:55 <Volatile> but many of them are total assholes
16:55 <Volatile> one of the nice guys invited me to a privatish trading network
16:55 <Volatile> where i am quite in over my head
16:55 <Volatile> i can barely understand half the shit the say
16:55 <Volatile> i keep my mouth shut.
16:55 <Volatile> i'd be willing to bet some of your guys are on it
16:55 <Volatile> heh
16:57 <scofflaw> maybe
16:57 <scofflaw> we use irc in production at work
16:57 <scofflaw> :X
16:57 <Volatile> heh
16:57 <Volatile> werd
16:57 <phobosd> oh snapz
16:57 <phobosd> i have some cadcues wine coming my way
16:57 <Volatile> im jealous of your work environment scoff!
16:58 <Volatile> cadcues?
16:58 <phobosd> *caduceus
16:58 <phobosd> maynard wine
16:58 <phobosd> from AZ
16:58 <Volatile> what's that
16:58 <Volatile> red/white?
16:58 <phobosd> got a red
16:58 <phobosd> trying to fidn more
16:58 <phobosd> i got a dude flying out here, he lives in pheonix
16:58 <Volatile> oh.. caduceus is the vineard/bottler?
16:58 <phobosd> all the places i call are like LOL GOOD LUCK MAN
16:58 <scofflaw> heh
16:58 <scofflaw> maynard as in tool?
16:58 <phobosd> it's the naem of the wine, merkin vineyards is hte vineyard i think
16:58 <phobosd> yeah
16:58 <Volatile> ah
16:58 <scofflaw> ah
16:58 <Volatile> a blend then?
16:58 <phobosd> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caduceus_Cellars
16:59 <phobosd> christ learn 2 google guys
16:59 <Volatile> it's easier to ask the human goog
16:59 <phobosd> the one i got 'anubis' is yeah
16:59 <phobosd> cab + syrah
16:59 <scofflaw> word
16:59 <Volatile> nice
16:59 <scofflaw> i bought a bottle of cakebread last week
16:59 <Volatile> i'm drinking wine right now
16:59 <Volatile> heh
16:59 <scofflaw> this weekend i think i'm going to get an opus one
16:59 <Volatile> a toscana
16:59 <scofflaw> just cuz i haven't
16:59 <Volatile> it is quite tasty
17:01 <scofflaw> just gimme the baller shit
17:01 <Volatile> free ballin'
17:01 <scofflaw> i like going to binny's and getting the $200+ bottles of wine at a restaurant there for like $99
17:02 <scofflaw> nice to like, get a clue
17:03 <Volatile> like getting crystal(sp) for $30/bottle?
17:03 <scofflaw> haha
17:03 <scofflaw> you can't
17:03 <Volatile> yes you can
17:03 <Volatile> it's called dark horse
17:03 <scofflaw> that's at least i think $300 at Binny's
17:03 <+sampson> http://www.theonion.com/articles/afterbirthers-demand-to-see-obamas-placenta,6866/
17:03 <+sampson> loo
17:03 <scofflaw> k
17:03 <scofflaw> well
17:03 <Volatile> you can only produce so much champagne per year per place
17:03 <Volatile> there's a law
17:03 <scofflaw> you can't go to binny's and get cristal (tm) for less than $300
17:03 <Volatile> they produce far more than their aloted amount
17:04 <Volatile> so instead of tossing it, they rebrand it
17:04 <Volatile> as dark horse
17:04 <Volatile> and sell it for $30/bottle
17:04 <Volatile> it's the same exact thing, minus the awesome name
17:04 <+sampson> but cristal is in a crystal bottle!!!
17:04 <Volatile> we had a case of it
17:04 <scofflaw> i don't believe it
17:04 <Volatile> don't have to
17:04 <scofflaw> no evidence
17:04 <Volatile> google is a search engine though
17:04 <@chrism> ya know that's actually easy enough to test
17:05 <scofflaw> yes
17:05 <@chrism> like incredibly easy
17:05 <scofflaw> and there is no mention in the first page
17:05 <+sampson> look at mr brewhaha over there
17:05 <+sampson> that's your new nickname
17:05 <scofflaw> therefore, it is lies
17:05 <+sampson> brewhaha
17:05 <@chrism> scoff, you buy the crystal and I will put my zymurgy skills to work
17:05 <@chrism> OH HO HO
17:05 <phobosd> scofflaw: cakebread is really good wine
17:05 <+sampson> zymurgy?
17:05 <+sampson> is that like a spell in final fantasy
17:05 <phobosd> kawaiiblu brought a white home the other night
17:05 <phobosd> fucking amazing
17:05 <scofflaw> phobosd yes i had a cab, shared it with the roommies
17:06 <@chrism> sampson: when pronounced with a question mark at the end it's meant to indicate 'those who are wholly incapable of using a fucking dictionary'
17:06 <scofflaw> for me, i'm all about napa/sonoma wines
17:06 <@chrism> FYI
17:06 <+sampson> dude
17:06 <+sampson> mouse is so far away
17:06 <@chrism> lol
17:06 <@chrism> fair nuff
17:06 <+sampson> easier to just troll you until you correct me
17:06 <@chrism> oh ho ho
17:06 <@chrism> PLAN FAILED
17:06 <@chrism> FISSION MAILED
17:06 <+sampson> FFFFFFFUUUU
17:06 <phobosd> scofflaw: totally. i've tried chile wine: meh, tried italian wine: too fruity
17:07 <phobosd> i've been getting into white wine lately and holy shit
17:07 <phobosd> it's a totally different world
17:07 <phobosd> love it
17:07 <scofflaw> that's for fags and bitches
17:07 <scofflaw> suits you
17:07 <@chrism> That's what Kuiper is making right now
17:07 <@chrism> some sort of white whine
17:07 <+sampson> i hate white wine
17:07 <+sampson> cabs till i die
17:08 <phobosd> i was that way too
17:08 <phobosd> but a white wine is very refreshing
17:08 <@chrism> kinda like dick
17:08 <+sampson> i guess mal will have to impress me when i visit
17:08 <@chrism> amirite?
17:08 <scofflaw> Volatile i've spent too much time trying to prove to myself you aren't full of shit
17:08 <+sampson> because i've yet to have one that didn't taste like ass
17:08 <@chrism> oh phobosd btw fuck you
17:08 <+sampson> like those fruity red wines i hate those
17:08 <phobosd> chrism: LOL U R RITE
17:08 <Volatile> lawl?
17:08 <@chrism> there's a special small batch of Dark Lord coming out on DLD
17:08 <@chrism> ALL YOU FUCKS GOING TO THAT
17:08 <Volatile> actually, i just asked, and it was dom perignon, not cristal
17:08 <@chrism> FFFFFUUUUUUUUUUU
17:09 <Volatile> dom perignon rebrands
17:09 <phobosd> confirm dattttttttt
17:09 <@chrism> it's like a bourbon barrel aged vanilla version
17:09 <phobosd> gonna be tits
17:09 <@chrism> 666 bottles total
17:09 <@chrism> or something
17:09 <phobosd> i'll save you a bottle, obviously
17:09 <Volatile> scofflaw, pretty harsh bro.
17:09 <@chrism> <3
17:09 <phobosd> i htink i can only buy 6
17:09 <phobosd> or 12, or something
17:09 <@chrism> i would pay quite well for one of those fuckers
17:09 <phobosd> they limit you
17:09 <@chrism> WILL TRADE FOR HOMEBREW
17:09 <@chrism> =P
17:09 <scofflaw> well i googled it per your request
17:09 <scofflaw> because you know, it was going to prove you right
17:09 <scofflaw> but, alas
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17:10 <scofflaw> thou art full of shit
17:10 <scofflaw> :P
17:10 <@chrism> google is for noobs
17:10 <phobosd> chrism: i'm down with that
17:10 <Volatile> i didn't tell you to google it
17:10 <scofflaw> i said i didn't believe
17:10 <scofflaw> and you said i didn't have to
17:10 <scofflaw> and said google is a search engine
17:10 <Volatile> a wine distributor who works with them sold us a rebranded case
17:10 <@chrism> weeeerd
17:11 <scofflaw> they lied to you
17:11 <Volatile> ok?
17:11 <Volatile> you win!
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17:12 <scofflaw> yay
17:12 * scofflaw WINNING
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19:12 ..: Topic for #chicago: <+m1k[3y]> there is a good cardboard box on jackson ave
19:12 ..: Topic set by tronyx [~tronyx@65.60.42.186] [Fri Apr 15 16:31:58 2011]
19:12 ..: Channel #chicago created Wed May 8 00:23:06 2002
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20:13 <shakya> good evening.
20:18 <billay> for whom?
20:18 <shakya> terry schiavo.
20:37 <billay> There was a painful conclusion to an end-of-season party when a Welsh Non-League footballer suffered severe injuries after a pool cue was rammed up his backside.
20:37 <billay> not for that guy
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20:39 <shakya> that reminds me of the homeless man on 800 S. Michigan who was sodomized by a tree branch...
20:40 <shakya> fucked up world.
20:40 <billay> indeed
20:40 <shakya> they found him with only a sock on. :(
20:48 <shakya> does vixie still come in here?
20:55 <billay> think we scared her off
20:55 <shakya> hmmmm ok.
20:56 <phobosd> kubi: i think i just heard you on this TS recording
20:56 <phobosd> talking about sucking dudes off or something
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